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greetings

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and salutations friends and welcome back

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to truth seekers tonight we are going

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on the dark side welcome

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greetings and salutations friends

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welcome

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uh i can't tell you um boy

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i have been looking forward to this uh

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tonight's interview for quite some time

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uh i don't want to waste very much time

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so uh

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what i'm gonna tell you is that tonight

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i'm gonna get to interview

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a real life exorcist and bring you along

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for the journey

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about our exorcist that would be our

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special guest tonight whose name is

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father michael

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l magno some of you may be familiar with

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part of his story because

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zach baggins literally bought the house

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that he performed

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an exorcism in and there's a documentary

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called the hell house or i'm sorry the

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demon house

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pardon me but about father magno he went

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to seminary at st

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maynard college in southern indiana and

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he's a very educated man one of the

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things that impressed me most about him

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is just how educated this man is

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he gained a bachelor of science degree

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in chemistry and he went to rome for

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theology

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and gained an stl degree in biblical

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theology

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and that was in 1984. father mike was

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ordained a priest on july 2nd 1983.

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he would later be sent back to rome to

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gain a jcl

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degree in canon law also at the

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pontifical gregorian university

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in the year 2000 when he returned he

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would be assigned to st

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saint stephen's martyr parish which is

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in maryville indiana

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and he was assigned there as an

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administrator with duties also at the

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tribunal

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in the diocese of gary

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for three years there he would be in

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charge of the tribunal

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as judicial vicar for the diocese

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afterwards he would become

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pastor of the parish and would be asked

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by many priests in trouble to act as

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their advocate

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i suppose given his degree in canon law

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in 2012 he was given permission by the

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bishop to be an exorcist for a family

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whose case

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eventually would receive worldwide

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notoriety

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after the mother in that case decided to

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make this successful case

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known to the press you may have seen

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this on inside edition and many other

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television shows

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the story of father maginot and the

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exorcist

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of this family in maryville indiana

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and friends i don't want to waste

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another moment

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so we're going to see if we can get our

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guest tonight on the phone he's only

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agreed to do an interview by phone so

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please bear with me while we get our

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special guest

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on the phone i'm going to get our banner

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uh hopefully we could get him on the

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phone and that would be

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catholic priest and exorcist michael l

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magno let's

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hi father mike it's steven with truth

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oh okay okay good i have you on

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speakerphone so i apologize if i appear

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to be a bit muffled but i need to do

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that in order to make this work live

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oh okay you let me put it on the speaker

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myself uh

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no that would be fine you're fine the

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way that you are but i have you want to

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speak on it yeah i kind of have you on

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speaker next to my mic so we're going to

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share a mic to try to get

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through this i gave a short introduction

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of your history and your education

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uh from from the your church's website

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but i think that the first question i

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really want to ask

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is and a lot of people are curious about

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this uh

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and i want to say it's been a long time

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since i've shown any catholic priest my

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but i've been doing a lot of research

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and i found out that the bishop of each

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diocese is actually

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in charge of demonic matters

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and and exorcism but they often will

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appoint a priest and some priests come

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to become exorcists in this way can you

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tell us how did you

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actually become a catholic exorcist what

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well actually i was kind of just thrown

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hospital yeah local um

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chaplain on his day off and which is

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friday and saturday i just do

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that they needed an exorcism

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done when the boy walked up the wall

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backwards at the hospital

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activity and were you witness to things

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like this boy walking up walls backwards

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seeing uh being seen by people outside

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professional people

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child protective services and the like

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a need for an exorcism is uh

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levitation so it's a form of levitation

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yeah and also my research i found that

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that there are several criteria that you

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like speaking languages uh that the

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where people were speaking in ancient

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languages that are no longer spoken

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i'm having uh secret knowledge about a

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person

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holy water or crucifixes and such

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you know strength um so yeah some of

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greater than human strength i'd write a

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case where an old

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man that was like 85 years old was

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lifting these this heavy furniture like

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a whole couch over his head

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she gave birth actually a week after

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to hold her in the chair and one on each

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to keep her from harming the baby and

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exhibition of super strength and other

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levitation and

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and things like that or and i've read

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will abort objects into the room or

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uh yes so um when anyone ever

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hear their story

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and try to figure out what could be the

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of the problem and definitely looking

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types of activity and not just

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feelings that you know like they're

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going to hell or things like that

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also rule out medical

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problems as well i was going to ask

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because there's a fair bit of history

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of schizophrenia or maybe other mental

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illnesses being mistaken for demonic

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possession in history

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but today is isn't there safeguards in

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place to rule out mental illness before

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an exorcism is

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carried out yeah we'll usually

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try to look for something more on the

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paranormal side so

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something that's just outside of the

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person's head

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you know so you so it's pretty common

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they may hear

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voices or tell you know telling them

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they're going to hell

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or you know they're possessed and things

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and so we kind of look for you know

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those special categories of things that

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go beyond uh just a mental illness

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okay and and so you're ruling out any

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or or or uh mental illness so that

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leaves the supernatural sometimes

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right yes yeah so we're mainly looking

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for supernatural things

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that are happening yeah and uh how many

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exorcisms would you say that you've

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either carried out or

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or been participant in because sometimes

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you're a secondary or something

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isn't that correct sometimes there will

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be multiple priests performing

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an exorcism on one person um

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yeah i pretty much uh perform them i'm

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the only priest

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but i will have a couple people helping

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someone who will also read the prayers

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the responses um and who would also know

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a little bit of latin so

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new english ritual

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but i've heard from multiple sources

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that most exorcists

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catholic priest exorcists prefer to use

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the original latin right is there can

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you talk about the differences in when

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that english version

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and why it was created

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uh yeah i i i guess i

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kind of like the baseline with the

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english version

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because sometimes the latin version

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really creates a it's quite a reaction

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and so i just would like to get a feel

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for

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you know how strong the entity is

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and the demon and and because i also

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would have

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a couple of strong guys on either side

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of the person

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to keep them in the chair and so

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sometimes

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they react quite a bit uh just to the

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english

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uh version and so you don't really have

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to go to the latin

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but sometimes they just kind of sit

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through the english

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version and and then all of a sudden

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they then they then i kind of go to the

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latin

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and i get a lot more of a reaction up

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from them

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it's almost like round one in round two

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right

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yeah yeah and you know before i forget i

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i an important question that i wanted to

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ask you on a personal level before i

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forget this is very important to me and

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something that i've been thinking about

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while thinking about

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doing this interview and i just wanted

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to know has confronting demons brought

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you closer to god or made your faith in

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god stronger

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well yeah definitely uh because you kind

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of

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i i am a puzzle person so you have to

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kind of

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look at uh um what's

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the rules that's that god kind of allows

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for them and they won't tell you that so

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there's

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you know they would like to think make

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you think they're all powerful

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but we know that's not the case and so

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there's certain things they can't

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um do they'll boast about doing they

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like to lie a lot so

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they'll kind of claim certain things but

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like one thing they cannot do is

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kill a person directly they always have

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to have someone else kind of do that or

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the person do it

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themselves like suicide but they would

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like to think you know that

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you know they always boast about killing

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the person or making the person die

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and that really can't happen directly

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and there's other rules like that you

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know that there's limits

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to what they can do that's interesting

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and

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are gateways to demonic possession or

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or oppression even things like ouija

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boards and necromancy

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nation psychics things that you should

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avoid do you believe that these things

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are truly gateways to opening up

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yourself to demonic forces

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yeah they're kind of their inventions to

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communicate

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so they have developed all kinds of

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things throughout the centuries

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and right now they like to use a lot of

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electronic stuff

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um you know they're they're you know

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kind of into websites and

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and uh you know and uh facebook and

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different things

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you know where uh they

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um just would like to communicate but

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any

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way you could kind of communicate with

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the spirit so you know there's

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the echoes boxes and and different

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things like that so there's a lot of

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ghost hunting type of things too

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and so they like to communicate you know

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demons do like to communicate so they

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and and get people curious

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and interested and to go deeper and

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deeper

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so so those are kind of as you say

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gateways but they actually want you to

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get in deeper and deeper

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uh with it with uh with them

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and isn't it common for the demons to

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sort of masquerade

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maybe as as human spirits or or to be

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tricksters

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and be pretending to be something that

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they're really not like they may pretend

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to be an angel or they may pretend to be

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a lost relative

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for something yeah because yeah because

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they don't want to really they don't

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want to scare you off

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you know so when they do these things

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they have to be

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kind of careful because they want to

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make you curious so that you

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get intrigued or think you're

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talking to someone friendly you know

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because so that they don't wanna

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usually the problem comes in when you

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don't want to

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communicate with them anymore and and

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close the gateway right yeah and then

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they and then they kind of go on the

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attack

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and that's when they kind of go on the

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attack that's kind of when

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we could get more involved and you know

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i wanted i wanted to ask you if some

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people are more susceptible to

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possession and some people are more

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resistant to it

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one of the things i was thinking about

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is when a demon avoid a strong christian

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and go for a weaker target or is that

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not the case

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they do look for weaknesses yeah so they

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look for the path of

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least resistance and so

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but they also kind of take on challenges

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and so

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when a person perhaps is going through

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a conversion process they like to hold

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the territory that they

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kind of gained so that's another time

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they will go a little bit on the attack

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when you're someone's trying to grow in

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their

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there could be attacks and that

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but that's still in the normal realm of

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things

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it's not usually

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it is much more still like at the

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psychological level

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communication level the temptation

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level and things like that and we kind

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of consider that

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normal demonic um activity

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which is uh you know essentially what

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god allows

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you know even to his only son jesus so

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god allows that to every person

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um to uh there's no way to prevent

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temptation so that's that will always be

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there

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but uh the extraordinary

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um activity which is you're starting to

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get into the paranormal and supernatural

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um those things need a human invite

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in some way it could be the person

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themselves

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or else curse from someone else who

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kind of is into ritual knowing the

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rituals that can

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bring those things about so witchcraft

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or

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you know voodoo and different things

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like that

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so yeah i was going to ask your advice

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for anybody in the audience

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who would like to know is there some

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some way

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that is a good way or method to guard

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against being possessed by demons or

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being

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there something you can do

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besides prayer and you know

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yeah um yeah one thing that's very

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common is that if you befriend

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someone who is into those types of

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rituals

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and they would probably try to get you

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involved

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in the occult itself and so

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um yeah they um will try to befriend you

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and and and you got to kind of be

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careful because

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they're at some early stage in the

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relationship

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it will try to gain an object

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like a gift or give you something that

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you would

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tend to hold on to something you could

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tend to see a

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a great value to hold on to

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some more or possessed itself

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like a possessed object yes so they

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would

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pretty much try to attach the demon

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to the object and and and then use that

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to kind of get them

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involved you know be a gateway into who

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their rituals you know so get that get

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you

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get them interested in also

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kind of doing their um

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um different kind of uh

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ritualized things so um

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seances and and and playing with ouija

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boards and tarot cards and other things

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like you know

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you know palm reading and other things

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so

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those are you're kind of going more from

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just communication to

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actually um starting to make packs

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with with the demon you can make money

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from this

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kind of stuff and and you know so

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this is uh you know and and get people

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to

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kind of see what they really desire

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in life and you know and if the demon is

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kind of able to make that promise

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you know to make a lot of money here or

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there

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you know to make a path that way but

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um in the end you know that kind of

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thing

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is like you know if they're able to

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deliver on

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that first promise then they

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um demand more and more for you to keep

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that promise

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uh coax more and more to do

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more and more to maintain that first

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this is a perfect perfect lead-in to the

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question

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i thought one of the most important and

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it's a philosophical

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and theological question that i've

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struggled with

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and and i told you that i had 12 years

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of scripture studying theology

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educating the jesuits and the franciscan

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priests and brothers and

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i really valued my education but i gotta

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tell you father i got in trouble with

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the priests for asking too many

548
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one of the things that i found in in

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some research is

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the story of the testament of solomon so

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i want to ask

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is it possible that a godly man can

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communicate with

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and even use demons for some desired

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outcome

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you know i'm reminded of those stories

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of solomon commanding demons in the

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construction of solomon's temple

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and it just it always seems strange to

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me that we're told as

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as the faithful as christian or catholic

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you've got to stay away from x y or z

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00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,400
but yet right in the bible there's

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solomon commanding demons to do

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his will and he didn't suffer ill

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effects

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00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,000
from what i understand i'm like he did

568
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actually he did um but it's

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uh again it's like yeah you think

570
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,080
you know the demon makes it sound like

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he's working for you

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at the very beginning which is you're

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kind of getting what you desire

574
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:26,159
there's one you know one thing you you

575
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:27,360
really desire

576
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,799
you know to maybe to have a relationship

577
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,000
with this person or

578
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:35,440
to get this particular kind of

579
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:39,039
glamour job or or different things like

580
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:39,760
that

581
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,960
and so it's able to kind of give you

582
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,240
that

583
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,600
at the very beginning but then the

584
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,559
now the demand turns and now you're kind

585
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,159
of working for them

586
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:55,120
because now to keep that whatever they

587
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,159
gave you

588
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,279
you need to now do their bidding and so

589
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:00,720
they can start to demand

590
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,640
more and more um to to keep that

591
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,400
and then they go on the and if you

592
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:08,080
refuse to do it then they go on the

593
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,360
attack

594
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,200
so so that's that's when it turns sour

595
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,919
yeah interesting so even even for

596
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,760
somebody like solomon he suffered some

597
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,799
ill effects from

598
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,799
from his participation with demons or

599
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:22,480
his his

600
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,240
use of yeah yeah so he eventually

601
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,760
in the end had the kingdom ripped away

602
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,720
from him

603
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,679
you know so he taxed the people too much

604
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:35,840
the people turned on him

605
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,120
um you know the the northern kingdoms

606
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,559
there's 12 tribes

607
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:43,679
the 10 northern tribes of uh

608
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,200
broke away from him and he was just left

609
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:49,120
with the tribe of judah

610
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:52,720
and so um so he who was

611
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,840
you know in the beginning a very a good

612
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,400
king

613
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,600
uh that pretty much turned to be a great

614
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,200
disappointment

615
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,600
wow okay so i have heard recently that

616
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,679
demonic possession and activity is on

617
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,480
the rise

618
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,520
worldwide and that there's now more than

619
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,640
125

620
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,600
exorcists in the us today and that i was

621
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,120
told was up from

622
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,440
just a few in the united states 10 years

623
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,240
ago

624
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,240
do you have any do you have any insight

625
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,559
into why demonic activity is increasing

626
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,720
so much lately

627
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:27,760
and possessions are on the rise yeah it

628
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,240
does

629
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:31,520
seem to be kind of a

630
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:35,840
loss in traditional religion

631
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,039
and you know especially even the

632
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,640
catholic uh

633
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:43,520
church you know the the priest scandal

634
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,240
what was

635
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,679
one thing that really kind of hurt um

636
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,799
catholicism quite a bit uh you know

637
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,279
that discovery as it came out uh you

638
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,360
know 30 to 20 years ago

639
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,640
what was going on for you know several

640
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,919
years before that

641
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,760
yeah it seems to me that there is

642
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,360
there's a marked drop

643
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,200
in the influence of the church from what

644
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,720
i remember growing up

645
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,360
they were just hugely influential and

646
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,279
everybody went to church on sunday and

647
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,720
it seemed after that that a lot of

648
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:14,880
people dropped off

649
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:18,480
yeah so so traditional religion has

650
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,919
taken quite a hit with things like that

651
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,159
but there is still people who send us a

652
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,520
spiritual

653
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,640
need and uh and and so

654
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,760
you know and and what kind of

655
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:34,480
when they look at perhaps the church you

656
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,200
know they

657
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:38,480
they see the cross and and you know

658
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,840
and uh and that seems to

659
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,640
be something they want to you know kind

660
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,039
of avoid they don't quite understand

661
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,240
what that is all about and and they kind

662
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,840
of like oh here's

663
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,559
a spiritual power that will give you

664
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:55,200
things

665
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:58,720
and and help you you know accomplish

666
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,720
your desires and so um

667
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,840
so and and i guess you know they

668
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,720
when people kind of give tests some

669
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:10,720
testimonies

670
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:14,880
um that this spirit will work for you

671
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,960
um i think it kind of attracts people to

672
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,080
to try that it's just that um

673
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,159
the promise is only good at the very

674
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:25,520
very beginning

675
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,399
and then it turns it turns uh

676
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,679
south very quickly after that yeah and i

677
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,279
wanted to ask you the new testament

678
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,360
mentions jesus casting out demons

679
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,960
in several different passages that i'm

680
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,039
aware of and that power

681
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,840
that skill or ability was given to his

682
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,960
apostles

683
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,840
by the holy spirit do you consider you

684
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,000
yourself like a continuation of that

685
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,000
line

686
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,360
uh yeah so it definitely was uh

687
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,480
handed on you know jesus um

688
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:01,120
uh definitely expelled demons and he

689
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,000
gave that

690
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,039
power to the apostles the apostles then

691
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,440
hand that on to the bishops

692
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,480
and the bishops can extend that on

693
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:13,520
also to priest helpers and oftentimes

694
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,240
they do

695
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,760
so um they usually uh um

696
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:20,559
are busy doing many other things and

697
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,279
usually

698
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,159
extend that power to to a priest to

699
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,000
handle those situations and their

700
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,039
diocese and in fact the pope has

701
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,080
kind of demanded that every bishop

702
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,679
at least name one exorcist for his

703
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:36,799
diocese

704
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,000
to perhaps hand on those those cases

705
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,440
uh um that he may be

706
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,559
in the chance or he may get a call for

707
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,760
and you know so that they are handled

708
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,440
and i wanted to ask you is it is it a

709
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:53,360
requirement to be a priest or can a

710
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,320
bishop appoint

711
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,320
like let's say a very good catholic

712
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,360
who's an expert in paranormal

713
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:02,559
yeah it it is uh canon law

714
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,080
he must be a priest okay

715
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,000
yeah and the other thing i wanted to ask

716
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,679
you is that there seems to be

717
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,159
some people that really are

718
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,760
sensationalizing on and profiting from

719
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,080
so-called real exorcisms i don't mean

720
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,080
the hollywood movie type

721
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,000
these people like uh you know this

722
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,360
reverend larson

723
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,840
who got sort of a reality television

724
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,600
show where he and his two daughters

725
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,679
would go and exercise people

726
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,159
and to me it seems it seems very hokey

727
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,159
and almost disrespectful

728
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,679
have you seen some of this stuff and

729
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,600
what do you as a real life exorcist

730
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,840
think of the sensationalization

731
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,120
and profit but yeah i would say

732
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,080
um yeah a priest is the only one who

733
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:46,159
could do an exorcism

734
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:49,919
but many people

735
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:52,960
may have the gift of deliverance

736
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:56,320
now um deliverance

737
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,000
you know is is perhaps a gift

738
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,440
that they could

739
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:06,640
um see you know also help

740
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,240
people with different problems like um

741
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,600
you know alcoholism or addictions and

742
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
different things like that which we kind

743
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,440
of see more in the

744
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,240
normal level of things you know you know

745
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,720
at a psychological level as well

746
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,559
you know but there's also a spiritual

747
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:25,840
component

748
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:30,000
to that and so they may be able to

749
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,679
to help people um uh get over

750
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:37,200
you know say an addiction hell

751
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,519
and um and sometimes if it's

752
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:44,159
you know close in a little higher level

753
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:44,880
of

754
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,840
yeah they might be able to even expel

755
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:54,880
you know i would say minor demons and

756
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:55,519
such

757
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,320
but if it is a pretty powerful one yeah

758
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,679
usually they kind of get shut down it's

759
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,480
a little

760
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,679
uh too much for them to handle unless

761
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:08,720
they have a

762
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:12,559
quite a bit of experience but

763
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:16,159
it is a long process it's not an easy

764
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:16,880
thing

765
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:20,240
um very difficult or multiple demons

766
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:20,880
that

767
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,240
can't come into a person and so

768
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,000
um he yeah he seems to do it in a couple

769
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:30,080
minutes or something it's never that

770
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,039
easy

771
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,080
it's a battle yeah yeah yeah

772
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:36,399
you should have to keep that that's just

773
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,200
that

774
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,120
yeah just putting a bottle on someone's

775
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:40,880
head and say be free

776
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,679
and move on to the next it's never that

777
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,640
you know so

778
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:48,320
it is it's quite a grueling um battle to

779
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:52,880
try to preach someone um from

780
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,320
you know whatever level of attachment um

781
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,159
may have now there's different levels of

782
00:33:03,590 --> 00:32:59,760
attachment you know

783
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:03,600
and through time uh that a person may

784
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,679
may have yeah that affects them

785
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,919
the harder it is to get rid of it the

786
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,080
harder it is to break it

787
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,679
wow yeah and you mentioned that the

788
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,600
demons have different levels of power

789
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,200
have you experienced some

790
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,200
that you considered weaker demons and

791
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,200
some that are considered very strong

792
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,960
and can you tell me there's a higher

793
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,279
there's a hierarchy of demons

794
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,039
so you got all kinds of ranks so to

795
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,519
speak like a you know from generals to

796
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,399
privates

797
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:37,760
so you know so there's all um

798
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,430
and so the stronger the demon the more

799
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,480
say subservients that are under him

800
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,000
you know kind of uh

801
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,159
you know the the more he's known you

802
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,039
know the

803
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,039
the more famous his name is and

804
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:58,720
different things like that

805
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,799
so that they they're much more powerful

806
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,720
and then you have a lot of wannabes i

807
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,799
guess that are you know the rookies or

808
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,840
whatever that

809
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:10,000
are trying to work their way through the

810
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,040
ranks

811
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,079
and so um so those

812
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,359
are um usually you could

813
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,359
see in a possession there may be

814
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,359
multiple demons involved

815
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,919
so the first ones to kind of go out are

816
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,800
those

817
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,200
lower left ranks and then you finally

818
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:29,040
have to get to the main one

819
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,960
that is going to be probably a pretty

820
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,359
pretty tough battle yeah and i've seen

821
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:36,079
multiple

822
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,599
it seems to me that another common thing

823
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,960
during an exorcism

824
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,280
is that the exorcist attempts to make

825
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,879
the demon name himself

826
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,000
and once he is then able to

827
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,119
to remove him is it possible to

828
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,720
is that true and is it possible to

829
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,720
remove the demon without him

830
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,200
telling you his name or or do you have

831
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,079
to get the name of the demon

832
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,720
they give that up very difficult but

833
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,520
once

834
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,720
they do if they do give it up or you

835
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:10,560
manage to hit on it

836
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,000
um yeah then you kind of have

837
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,960
them like in the spotlight and you know

838
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,200
say if you or you know if you were

839
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,560
you know like a criminal on the run um

840
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,560
if he's on the run you don't know where

841
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,079
he's at

842
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,960
or whatever but all of a sudden if he's

843
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,000
hold up at a place

844
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,680
and he's surrounded by all kinds of

845
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,440
policemen and everything like that yeah

846
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,720
he's in trouble you know

847
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,480
and that's like you have the name he's

848
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:38,720
pretty much you got him cornered

849
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,079
and you you pretty much

850
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,000
once you know who you you know what

851
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:45,839
you're dealing with uh

852
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,280
um yeah he's pretty much uh

853
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:52,160
finished because yeah he has nowhere to

854
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,560
run

855
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,839
and so much do you have like

856
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,760
do you have you know i've got several

857
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,520
different books on demonology but

858
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,640
they're really

859
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,800
it doesn't seem to be consistent in

860
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,400
other words one book will say

861
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,240
this demon's name leviathan and what

862
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,920
that demon's all about and then another

863
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,880
book i have

864
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,800
will say the same demon leviathan is

865
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,320
about something else and have a

866
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,079
different sort of history

867
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,000
but you guys as the catholics you got

868
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,920
that vatican vault do you have like a

869
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,680
vast resource of

870
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,240
of information on these on these

871
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
entities and what each one is about

872
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:25,680
their weaknesses

873
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,119
things like that um yeah

874
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,520
there is a whole list of uh you know

875
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,200
demon books and names

876
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:36,160
and their characteristics and their as

877
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,480
you

878
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,839
mentioned strengths and weaknesses and

879
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,160
sometimes

880
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,440
yeah it is helpful um

881
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,920
if you because when you're trying to

882
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,000
find out where it came from

883
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,320
and you know and how it's acting its

884
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:51,520
personality and

885
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,040
you know they have personalities so

886
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,079
you're it you know sometimes um because

887
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,000
it refuses

888
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,320
to give its name and then if you kind of

889
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,520
recognize

890
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,839
something you'd like to do and you kind

891
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,599
of capture that in the book and you

892
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:10,320
mention that name and once it hears its

893
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,040
name

894
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,400
it reacts really i mean it it's never

895
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,240
you know cool and collective i mean it's

896
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,240
like when you found it

897
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,480
found out its name is like it reacts

898
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,160
that

899
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,320
oh you got me you know you know you know

900
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,920
like the spotlight is on it

901
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:28,000
and then it's trapped you know type of

902
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:29,200
thing so

903
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,240
so so so that's kind of one way

904
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:37,359
to to find out its name

905
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:40,800
um is uh kind of knowing a lot

906
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,640
about the characteristics of how

907
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,920
how and how it's manifesting yeah and i

908
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,680
wanted to ask you also

909
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,760
from my research demons uh you know

910
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,079
they're cast out in the name of jesus

911
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,800
but is there other entities that you may

912
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:58,320
call on for assistance

913
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,950
uh yeah you could call on the angels and

914
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,960
saints actually the

915
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,200
ritual begins with the what's called the

916
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,800
litany of saints

917
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:13,200
and so you're calling on every you know

918
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,079
uh saint

919
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,599
uh to kind of help and pray pray for it

920
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,480
and and and a lot of times the you know

921
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:22,320
actually the demon does react during

922
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,280
that

923
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,400
and sometimes you find you know

924
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,240
like all of a sudden it reacts to one

925
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,839
particular saying

926
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,920
that's kind of an indication oh oh why

927
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,680
did it react to that

928
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,760
and really that's what the ritual is

929
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:36,800
it's a whole

930
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,720
series of all kinds of things that

931
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,800
you know it's like trying to push a

932
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,320
demon's buttons you know

933
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,720
you just throw out yeah okay i actually

934
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,440
have a problem

935
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,440
as such i actually have a copy of the

936
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:50,800
english

937
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,800
speak latin and i was curious to read

938
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,960
the entire ritual it seemed to me

939
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,760
that the whole ritual is sort of asking

940
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,000
for

941
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,000
divine intervention to remove the

942
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,320
unclean or you know demonic spirit

943
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,440
from a child of god but

944
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,760
one philosophical or theological

945
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,040
question that i would ask

946
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,160
and and this is you know i don't know

947
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,520
how to ask this but

948
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,520
if someone let's say somebody is a good

949
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,839
christian or is just a christian

950
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,839
it seems kind of strange to me that god

951
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,880
would allow

952
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,000
the demons to to do this but is this is

953
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,079
this related to free will because we

954
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,240
you're inviting in many cases people are

955
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:31,760
inviting these demons

956
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,440
into their lives and that's how

957
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,520
god allows it he does um grant free will

958
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,760
and that's the demon's kind of calling

959
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:42,640
card

960
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,160
um you know that's how they know that

961
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,359
they have gained access um to a person

962
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,720
because the person

963
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,599
did allow them in or they were able to

964
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:54,960
get a person

965
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,400
to send um that demon to

966
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,680
a person whom they develop some sort of

967
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,960
relationship with

968
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,359
as i mentioned with an object of

969
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:11,109
you know something on that order so they

970
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,920
they

971
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:14,240
kind of get like you know it's like

972
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,040
giving

973
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:17,119
the key to your house you know to a

974
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,400
friend friend

975
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,400
and then they have the keys so they can

976
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,319
come into your house anytime

977
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,680
you want so they come into you so

978
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,800
um and and

979
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:31,920
kind of the exorcism is

980
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:36,400
pretty much uh an activity to try to

981
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,760
take that you know you know key away

982
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,839
and or change the lock you know type of

983
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:44,079
thing so you know you gotta

984
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:47,760
no longer give it that access and so

985
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,839
you have to and so it's first of all the

986
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,040
person doesn't want

987
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,280
want them around anymore you know so

988
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,480
that's that's

989
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,680
the first thing but then it also has to

990
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,839
make them so uncomfortable

991
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,520
that you know it's like the guest who

992
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:05,040
doesn't want to leave type of thing you

993
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,599
gotta

994
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,359
you know pretty much insult it in every

995
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:08,960
way imaginable

996
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:15,589
you know you're looking for perhaps that

997
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,480
one

998
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:19,040
you know that as you push good push

999
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,240
buttons on people

1000
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:23,359
to kind of insult them to get them to

1001
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,839
leave

1002
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,880
you or you know you're

1003
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,000
looking for that one thing that that

1004
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:32,319
really gets under their skin and they

1005
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,109
i was going to ask you that because

1006
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,040
there's common things that we see

1007
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,200
in fictional depictions and even in some

1008
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:45,119
of the taped real depictions that i've

1009
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,760
seen

1010
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,319
which is sort of like holy water and

1011
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,400
pressing across to their forehead and

1012
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,359
things like that

1013
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,520
so did you you're saying that some of

1014
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,880
the tools that you have

1015
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,240
are more effective and you just keep

1016
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,800
repeating the effective ones

1017
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,800
yeah once you yeah because you're always

1018
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,160
looking what

1019
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,640
um gets under the demon what makes the

1020
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,599
demon

1021
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,319
uncomfortable the manifest get get

1022
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,119
anxious get

1023
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,240
angry you know and all that so

1024
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,520
usually you could go through a whole

1025
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:15,200
series of things just sitting you know

1026
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,319
nothing's really

1027
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,800
happening and all of a sudden it reacts

1028
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:19,839
to something

1029
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,079
and then once you find what it reacts to

1030
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,560
then you kind of repeat that or repeat

1031
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,040
similar things you kind of know what

1032
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,839
what is you know it's like you know

1033
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,079
finding what pushes a button on a person

1034
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,040
they get under their skin and then once

1035
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,960
you find that you pretty much

1036
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,000
just go at that where they know

1037
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,880
you know you're not going to let go of

1038
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,520
it

1039
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,760
and they just have to leave yeah and

1040
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,359
another thing that i want to ask you

1041
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,359
and again this you know if anything i

1042
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:53,040
answer is too personal we can move on

1043
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,680
but

1044
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:56,000
i i just wanted to ask because we see

1045
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,200
various depictions

1046
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,240
of uh in fiction and and but i've read

1047
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,599
accounts where

1048
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,160
the demon will jump from the person

1049
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,880
being exercised to the actual priest

1050
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,640
have you ever experienced anything like

1051
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:10,319
that and are you afraid of something

1052
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,119
like that

1053
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,119
do you have fear for these things is it

1054
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,000
like a healthy fear at least

1055
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,520
um yeah you have to know what you're

1056
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,200
doing okay

1057
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,839
so the number one rule is you never

1058
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,200
invite it into you

1059
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,240
okay so you know so

1060
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,720
um and that's that's probably one one

1061
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:29,839
danger

1062
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,280
you know it like uh you know you know so

1063
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:36,160
you always have to kind of tell family

1064
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,800
members

1065
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:39,680
when they see their loved one i mean if

1066
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,079
you're

1067
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,960
having them pray for them or or you know

1068
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:43,599
kind of

1069
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,440
you know around for the ritual um

1070
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:49,760
you had always have to say because you

1071
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,839
first of all say you know when they see

1072
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,400
their loved one seems to be in torment

1073
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,400
you know like we're hurting them and

1074
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,000
tormenting them and such

1075
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,440
what we're really doing is tormenting

1076
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,040
the demon you know so

1077
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,440
it didn't one state you know it's

1078
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:06,480
removed

1079
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,800
yeah really doesn't remember

1080
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,960
uh but if they're convulsing or

1081
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,640
contouring or whatever

1082
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,839
it does seem like you're severely

1083
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,040
hurting them

1084
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:20,880
but and then there may be a little

1085
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,160
residual affect the person they feel

1086
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:27,920
you know tired or you know you know sore

1087
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,680
you know after that but yeah you know

1088
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,599
their bones aren't being broken or you

1089
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,720
know you know

1090
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:37,119
whatever it's kind of saying that you

1091
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,240
know that we're

1092
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,400
torturing it what we're doing is saying

1093
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,119
pretty much prayers

1094
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,280
and the things that bother the demon and

1095
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:46,480
that's manifesting

1096
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,079
um through the person but once it's out

1097
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,319
uh the other person really sometimes

1098
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,240
someone doesn't even remember

1099
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,079
you know they were kind of blank to the

1100
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,000
whole thing or if they

1101
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,040
do um are aware of things

1102
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,920
uh you know they they feel really good

1103
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:04,960
afterwards so

1104
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:09,680
you know it's not um you know

1105
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,200
and so in the midst of that a person who

1106
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,560
loves the person they say

1107
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,960
how they they feel that they want you

1108
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,440
know i stop attacking my

1109
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,560
wife or a child or whatever even to me

1110
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,560
you know and that's so you cannot do

1111
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,800
that because they will

1112
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,920
with that inviting will kind of go into

1113
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:30,880
the person

1114
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,480
and you know um and so

1115
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,160
um you know though it's

1116
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,160
not like the movies where they're

1117
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,240
jumping on windows or whatever

1118
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,960
it goes into the person subtly you know

1119
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,400
like leaves

1120
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,920
you know it looks like you know it's out

1121
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,640
of

1122
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,720
their loved one but they didn't realize

1123
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,079
it jumped into them

1124
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:57,280
if they invited it in it goes in quietly

1125
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,400
and then all of a sudden it tries to you

1126
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,240
know now the problem

1127
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,200
you know that you know it's usually you

1128
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:06,560
can kind of tell that

1129
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,000
it's not they're you know they're not

1130
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,760
having a problem

1131
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,800
and then you could uh

1132
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,079
um you know help them later

1133
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:21,040
but in it but a lot of times they

1134
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:22,079
probably don't

1135
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,079
uh realize that it's that kind of has

1136
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:28,400
come into them and until they kind of

1137
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:29,200
all of a sudden

1138
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,200
start feeling now bizarre or weird or

1139
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,920
you know and uh and sometimes it makes

1140
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:36,960
you too proud to

1141
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,440
admit you know this or that you know but

1142
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,040
we had a great question from the live

1143
00:46:47,530 --> 00:46:45,200
chat that was also on my list

1144
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,540
um that several people are asking this

1145
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,119
[Music]

1146
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,119
question for father michael have you

1147
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,040
ever been physically assaulted during an

1148
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,440
exorcism

1149
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,560
uh yeah it it um

1150
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:01,920
we see that's how we can kind of

1151
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,200
tell um that a demon has left

1152
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,520
because you kind of need two signs one

1153
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:08,400
first of all

1154
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,160
the reaction has stopped so and

1155
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,520
but the the demon could also play possum

1156
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,720
and so it would make you think it got it

1157
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,520
out

1158
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,200
and so you're actually looking for an

1159
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,040
outside sign that it is

1160
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,480
on the outside and so one

1161
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:29,040
we kind of call them parting shots you

1162
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:29,920
know so

1163
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,280
someone feels get attracted and also

1164
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,720
a lot of times a headache or or they get

1165
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,119
bruised or scratch or

1166
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,240
or a lot of times i like to

1167
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,960
do the exorcism in the church and they

1168
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,559
don't like being in the church so once

1169
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:48,319
they're out in a church here a lot of

1170
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:48,960
noises

1171
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,000
as i'm trying to get out and so

1172
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,079
so that's the thing sometimes they if

1173
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,680
you have um

1174
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,079
you know like we like to record the

1175
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:00,559
things so we can kind of tell

1176
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,760
um in case a name is given or it says

1177
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,480
something

1178
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,720
then that sounds like a name you know we

1179
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,400
like to listen to it over and over

1180
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:11,200
we kind of see what that name is looking

1181
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,079
up or

1182
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,040
or see what what's being said you know

1183
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,640
because a lot of people

1184
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,760
do kind of valuable things you know and

1185
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,640
the name is

1186
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,760
in there but it's you know it's kind of

1187
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,599
sounds like baby [\h__\h] or something

1188
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:29,200
they're doubling letters or you know

1189
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,549
once you get it you can kind of use it

1190
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:42,559
but it looks like turn off vehicle you

1191
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,119
know

1192
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:46,079
it will attack the equipment turn turn

1193
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:46,480
the

1194
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,200
it also will knock things over yeah

1195
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,440
i was going to ask him i was going to

1196
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,440
ask you do you videotape all of the

1197
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,599
exorcisms or audio tape them and have

1198
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,559
you kept that

1199
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,319
for research purposes because somebody

1200
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,160
like me would love to

1201
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:07,040
like use that yeah i i do have a friend

1202
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:07,920
um

1203
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,079
know we also tame for

1204
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:15,119
illegal protections if something bad

1205
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,079
happens

1206
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:18,800
you know because you know we didn't want

1207
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,359
it

1208
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:22,640
to have that recorded so um

1209
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,839
uh you know because a demon may

1210
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:28,319
kind of accuse excuse you of doing

1211
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:28,880
something

1212
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,040
to the person so we just don't want uh

1213
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,079
you know anything like that uh

1214
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,880
happening so so we just to be on the

1215
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,920
safe side

1216
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,040
it's recorded case you know

1217
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,319
you know someone says uh um you know we

1218
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,640
did this or that to the person and

1219
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,040
we just wanted to show that you know if

1220
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,559
we have to show what happened

1221
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:55,200
what happens yeah and i also wanted to

1222
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,240
ask you like

1223
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,079
you you have taken part in all these

1224
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,000
exorcisms do you have some

1225
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,960
fear though that that one of these

1226
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,920
entities will

1227
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,760
hold a grudge and come after you in the

1228
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,359
future is that

1229
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,480
a thing they are

1230
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,000
it seems like god actually allows

1231
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,400
um anyone involved in the exorcism to

1232
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,800
get what's called a parting shot

1233
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,160
and it's it's this one type thing that

1234
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:23,520
when he lash out

1235
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,520
at the person um and and then you did

1236
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,599
but that kind of does that so you know

1237
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,880
it's out

1238
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,880
and and it's a one-time thing so they

1239
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,240
can't you know it's just as they leave

1240
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,119
you know like you could feel you know

1241
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:40,640
painting a punch you know

1242
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:44,160
you know i feel a scratch or a burning

1243
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,200
or bruise

1244
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:49,680
or um headache is another thing

1245
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:58,069
you know because we do have a couple

1246
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,200
restrainers the

1247
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:02,079
person doing the reading you know either

1248
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,400
and

1249
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,319
there's maybe some family members

1250
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,839
playing as well

1251
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,880
and so so usually

1252
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,480
among if there's a noise in the church

1253
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,520
that does go after someone that it's not

1254
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,040
if it doesn't turn off the equipment or

1255
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,040
whatever so there is something on the

1256
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:19,920
outside

1257
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:23,200
that indicates okay that one is gone and

1258
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:23,920
uh

1259
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,280
and and and that's pretty much

1260
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:30,240
now now we do tell the people you know

1261
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:30,640
um

1262
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,160
another rule is if a name was used

1263
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,599
and it's out just to know that name can

1264
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,920
be obsessive in your mind so you

1265
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,839
gotta try to forget it as much as

1266
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,040
possible you can

1267
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:45,760
you want to get mesmerized by it and

1268
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,280
that could be seen as an invite

1269
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,640
yeah and the other thing i wanted to ask

1270
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,559
you is that i'm aware that there's

1271
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,440
a a jewish rite of exorcism they have

1272
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,119
their own version of it

1273
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,359
but i i don't know very much about uh

1274
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,760
islam does islam as well have their own

1275
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:04,000
version of exorcism and do you guys

1276
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,520
ever get together or or talk between

1277
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:10,319
yourselves because you're both because

1278
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,720
you know

1279
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,960
uh somebody might not be catholic they

1280
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,880
might be jewish or somebody might be

1281
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,880
uh you know a muslim and become

1282
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,800
possessed and they would prefer to have

1283
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:19,920
the

1284
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,839
it do you guys

1285
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:26,079
communicate and are you familiar with

1286
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,200
the jewish right or

1287
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:30,240
or if there's a muslim right yeah i'm

1288
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,200
not sure

1289
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:34,400
if there are rights um yeah i i

1290
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,280
do know there are non-catholic christian

1291
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,079
christians involved in deliverance and

1292
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:43,599
so i do respect you know

1293
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,520
um other you know um especially

1294
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:50,319
uh certain uh like kind of costly type

1295
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:51,040
of

1296
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,000
deliverance ministry and such

1297
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,150
and and they're more charismatic more

1298
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,520
more based on the holy spirit so they

1299
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,319
don't really have

1300
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,559
rich you know the rituals as the

1301
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,480
catholic church starts uh you know

1302
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,920
following uh

1303
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880
um but they they may say a lot uh

1304
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,880
similar things that we you know in the

1305
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,319
name of jesus and

1306
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,800
and different things you know um the

1307
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,599
catholic church just seems to have had

1308
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,160
everything that has worked in the past

1309
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:25,520
2000 years

1310
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,150
from the research that i've seen like

1311
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,160
i've seen many cases where

1312
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,480
somebody that was perhaps like a

1313
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,800
methodist minister would tell

1314
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,960
you know a family you needed a catholic

1315
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,800
priest and this happened in the in the

1316
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:47,599
case that the

1317
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,280
famous exorcism movie was based on

1318
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
a lot of a lot of the more traditional

1319
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,400
type of

1320
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,160
churches they don't really deal with

1321
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,240
that it's more the charismatic

1322
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:01,200
evangelical types of churches that you

1323
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,440
know

1324
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:04,960
just say

1325
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:08,240
different things uh um uh

1326
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,160
and you know and

1327
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,319
in the course of that i mean it's

1328
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,240
somewhat could be successful

1329
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,720
because but if you did one and and

1330
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,440
because you

1331
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,640
use this one particular technique

1332
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,640
you know of saying this particular thing

1333
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:25,920
you got were able

1334
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,119
to get rid of you know

1335
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,359
deliver a per you know demon from a

1336
00:54:34,589 --> 00:54:32,400
person

1337
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,599
you know each demon has their own

1338
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,559
personalities and strengths and

1339
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,400
weaknesses and such so it doesn't

1340
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:39,440
necessarily work

1341
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:42,799
you know on another one so so

1342
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,640
so that's kind of um your you got

1343
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:49,280
you know if you have the whole tradition

1344
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,680
of

1345
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:52,079
everything that has worked uh throughout

1346
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,359
the centuries

1347
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,839
here and sometimes sometimes you have to

1348
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:58,000
become creative too so sometimes you

1349
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,119
might have to come up

1350
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:02,240
with something you know something kind

1351
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,200
of new

1352
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:05,599
you know sometimes you just happen to

1353
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:06,559
hit on

1354
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,760
something you know and uh oh okay

1355
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,319
and it worked for this particular demon

1356
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:14,559
you know especially one that's probably

1357
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,720
not as well known or you know so um

1358
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,000
or if you find out how it kind of got

1359
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,760
in it or something and you kind of

1360
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,040
mention uh

1361
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,359
something along those lines and all of a

1362
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,079
sudden it creates a reaction and then

1363
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,559
then you kind of maybe just kind of

1364
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:35,760
pound it with

1365
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:38,960
that similar types of things so

1366
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,839
so sometimes there is uh you know as

1367
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:43,520
they say prayer and fasting

1368
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,309
another question that i had for you is

1369
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,760
because i couldn't really find an answer

1370
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,240
to this

1371
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,000
in any research so i'm glad that i could

1372
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,359
just ask you

1373
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:06,079
if if someone is possessed by a demon

1374
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,720
and

1375
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,760
there is no intervention or exorcism

1376
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,280
that takes place

1377
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,559
let's say they get possessed when

1378
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,119
they're 18 years old if they never had

1379
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,000
any intervention

1380
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,760
from a priest would they just remain

1381
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:20,880
possessed until their death

1382
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,040
yeah i um now

1383
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:28,480
kind of with a curse if say they were

1384
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,160
cursed by someone um

1385
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,520
you know as a young person um

1386
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,640
there is such you do to kind of keep a

1387
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,319
curse alive

1388
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,440
you do need the person who

1389
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:46,880
sent that curse to also be alive so

1390
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,640
if that person dies usually

1391
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,680
because you need a human you know living

1392
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:56,720
source to to kind of do

1393
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,160
do a curse and so if that person dies

1394
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,520
he's no longer

1395
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,000
doing you know doing the ritual or

1396
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,520
whatever it is that

1397
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,160
that's affecting the person that way i

1398
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,359
would stop and

1399
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,720
the other thing i wanted to talk to you

1400
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,040
about we talked off there a little bit

1401
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:15,280
because there's a new movie out called

1402
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,160
uh

1403
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,200
another

1404
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,839
of the conjuring films and i'm very

1405
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,680
familiar with that case in the actual

1406
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,839
reality and boy did they take a lot of

1407
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:26,559
uh

1408
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,630
that one more than any other of the

1409
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,000
conjurings was really

1410
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,160
really filled with inaccuracies and just

1411
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,359
dramatizations

1412
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,359
they say based on a true story the truth

1413
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,720
is that there was

1414
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,319
a child that was possessed and then

1415
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,359
somebody invited a family member said no

1416
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,119
get out of him come into me and then

1417
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:48,720
that person killed somebody

1418
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,000
and used and used a defense of i was

1419
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,000
possessed by demons at the time

1420
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,599
but all of the other stuff in the film

1421
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,480
was largely uh made up

1422
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:00,960
what do you feel about the hollywood

1423
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,520
sort of

1424
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,599
you know hype and fiction surrounding

1425
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,640
exorcism

1426
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,160
and what do you think that they actually

1427
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:07,680
get right and what do you think that

1428
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,240
they get

1429
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,920
wrong about demon possession and

1430
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,760
exorcism because most people's

1431
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,720
education about what exorcisms is comes

1432
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,319
from this hollywood stuff

1433
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,440
comes hollywood yeah yeah hollywood

1434
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,920
yeah it does sensationalize that it

1435
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:22,640
gives

1436
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:25,839
a lot more power to the demon

1437
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,359
than it really actually has in reality

1438
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:30,480
even though they have

1439
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,319
unconventional strength and things um

1440
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,960
yeah as far as like throwing people out

1441
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,920
the window

1442
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:40,160
especially throwing priests around like

1443
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,960
ragdolls

1444
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,960
you know it seems to be like the most

1445
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,240
common thing they love

1446
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,960
doing in hollywood is you know it is you

1447
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:48,720
know you just see the priest flying out

1448
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:01,910
like one of my parting shots i mean

1449
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,359
it actually tore i was i have a ritual

1450
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,240
you know and and a binder because i had

1451
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:09,839
to get it off the internet

1452
00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:13,280
um at the time you know i had the same

1453
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,400
ritual from

1454
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:18,960
2012 there was a lot of complaints

1455
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,920
about the new right and which replaced

1456
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,040
the old right

1457
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,119
and so pope benedict allowed the old

1458
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,640
right to come

1459
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:29,119
to be used because they needed to

1460
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,000
strengthen

1461
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,400
the new right they changed it too much

1462
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,079
from the old right and

1463
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,079
and so there's a lot of complaints that

1464
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,799
that the new right wasn't as effective

1465
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,680
they had to go you know wasn't really

1466
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,079
provoking the demons that much

1467
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,720
and so he allowed the old one to to be

1468
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:48,079
used again and then they kind of

1469
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,119
reworked it which is

1470
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:51,280
it's much closer to the old right i

1471
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:52,240
would say uh

1472
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,680
the new one um and uh yeah and is there

1473
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:58,160
a reason why the demons don't like latin

1474
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,680
is that because it was the original

1475
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,520
language of the church or something like

1476
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:02,960
that

1477
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,000
i i think um

1478
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,599
yeah it's it's like um

1479
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,160
i think english could be you know you

1480
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:14,000
know the vernacular

1481
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:18,000
um it's kind of a living language

1482
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,079
and so uh it

1483
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,119
seems to you know

1484
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,280
i don't know you could kind of make

1485
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,040
things

1486
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:32,000
you know kind of it doesn't you know

1487
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,200
like when you

1488
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,000
you say you know have it translated into

1489
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,160
english you take the harshness

1490
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,480
out of the things it sounds like a very

1491
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,760
polite way of saying things

1492
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,200
you know instead of the latin is really

1493
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:49,359
crude in your face you know when you

1494
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,640
kind of look at the you know

1495
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,960
way it really is it's insult i mean

1496
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:55,040
you're insulting a demon you know so

1497
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,160
you're really

1498
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,920
you're saying about every bad thing you

1499
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,680
you know it when you're addressing the

1500
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:00,480
team and you're

1501
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:04,000
telling all its horrendous things you

1502
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:04,400
know

1503
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,040
horrible in english

1504
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,839
so you kind of i don't know that sounds

1505
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,680
more gente or diplomatic

1506
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,920
you know so you're you know and you're

1507
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,799
trying to

1508
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,880
char it's like a charm offensive or

1509
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:19,920
something so

1510
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,559
i think uh i think that was the problem

1511
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:27,440
you know um with the new right and so

1512
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,160
they just

1513
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,480
okay just let it hang out just you know

1514
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:32,960
it just sounds screwed and rude

1515
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:36,480
and everything so you're not you know

1516
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:39,760
yeah yeah let's start world wars

1517
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,559
so i said these things to you know to

1518
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,240
dictators you know so

1519
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,799
the next question is yes another

1520
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,920
question that i had is

1521
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,839
has there have you encountered any

1522
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:51,760
demons that you were just simply

1523
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:55,039
unable to exercise have you encountered

1524
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:55,920
someone

1525
01:02:02,549 --> 01:01:58,880
some entity so strong that your attempts

1526
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:05,029
um yeah there was one thing i don't

1527
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:05,599
think

1528
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,000
ever was a a demonic possession

1529
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:13,680
um and you know so i never really went

1530
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:14,240
to

1531
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:18,640
person was always

1532
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:21,920
kind of complaining about some sort of

1533
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:25,760
government spying thing you know they're

1534
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:28,880
doing some sort of

1535
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,319
you know mind control type of thing

1536
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:35,119
and i did have someone there like you

1537
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,079
know certain

1538
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,160
communist governments and you know and

1539
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,000
also the american

1540
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,559
you know i think it was the air force or

1541
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,760
something was

1542
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,760
you know kind of playing all kinds of

1543
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:47,520
mind control

1544
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:51,039
type of things on people as guinea pigs

1545
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:52,079
or something

1546
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,559
that seem to mimic um

1547
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,799
may make them think they're going crazy

1548
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:00,640
or being possessed

1549
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,480
or something and so actually

1550
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:07,839
you know so trying to to do the ritual

1551
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:10,240
on that one particular person it didn't

1552
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,440
have any effect

1553
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,960
we really yeah we couldn't get rid of it

1554
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,799
and the person was pretty much

1555
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,720
complaining always

1556
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,880
that there's some you know there's these

1557
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:23,039
mind control people you know or

1558
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,839
or whatever so so it wasn't you know

1559
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,839
that this is a government thing and you

1560
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,559
know

1561
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,760
conspiracy and all that so so

1562
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,319
and we we would send them to a

1563
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,400
psychology because we'd always thought

1564
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:39,599
you know it was a psychological issue

1565
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,799
and you know and and our psychologists

1566
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:44,319
kind of said that they

1567
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,599
are now they no this is not just in

1568
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:48,720
their head they really

1569
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:52,160
feel there's some some sort of

1570
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,520
you know you know mind control

1571
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,319
type of thing happening and i guess

1572
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:00,480
there was someone who did

1573
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,839
he actually thought um that

1574
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:06,559
this you know this explains all demonic

1575
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,359
possessions

1576
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,400
and i said no there's there's

1577
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,720
true psychological things that

1578
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,480
psychologists can you know and

1579
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,480
therapists and such could help there are

1580
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,400
true spiritual things that

1581
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,079
that we can help but there is this

1582
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,680
middle thing that

1583
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,480
yeah and and i kind of think you know

1584
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,160
and talking to

1585
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,520
you know this guy and on his research

1586
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:32,000
there is that middle ground thing that

1587
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,799
may be

1588
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,160
some sort of government experimentation

1589
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:38,880
that that person might be in some sort

1590
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:39,520
of

1591
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,760
along with the rise in worldwide demonic

1592
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:55,680
activity and demon possession there

1593
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:56,400
seems to be

1594
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,599
an incredible amount more ufo sightings

1595
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,359
and people are asking in live chat and

1596
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,200
it was on my list of questions do you

1597
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,119
believe that the ufo phenomenon

1598
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:08,319
is related to demonic activity and are

1599
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,119
et's

1600
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:12,000
actually demonic or extraterrestrial i

1601
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:12,880
think it may

1602
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,119
actually be because um

1603
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,440
yeah because when i look at the ufo

1604
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:20,640
phenomena

1605
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,559
it does seem like yeah a physical person

1606
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,000
couldn't be in

1607
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:28,079
the movements of you know the lights

1608
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:29,280
that moved i mean

1609
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,319
like zigzag i mean the g-forces

1610
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,960
um that would be involved in that but no

1611
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,319
physical being could

1612
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:38,799
you know withstand that yeah they'll be

1613
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,359
you know

1614
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:41,440
up against the wall i mean splattered or

1615
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,480
whatever

1616
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,520
so but demons

1617
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,760
you know do manipulate electromagnetic

1618
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,640
support

1619
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:51,280
pretty well so they they will mess up

1620
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:51,680
mess

1621
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:55,039
with uh all your electronics and and and

1622
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:55,520
they

1623
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,240
world pretty well that seems to be

1624
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:02,480
their their area of focus they know how

1625
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:03,520
to kind

1626
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,039
you know concentrate energy

1627
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,920
like poultry guys you know when they're

1628
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,599
that talented they know how to

1629
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:14,160
concentrate energy on an object to move

1630
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:14,960
it

1631
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,799
disappear and reappear

1632
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,960
or different things like that to

1633
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:22,240
teleport it

1634
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:25,839
so um so so it does

1635
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:29,280
seem to be and and we like to call them

1636
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:30,480
aliens

1637
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,520
um mainly because you know we're so in

1638
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:35,680
the space age and such

1639
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:39,440
but uh but it does seem to be yeah

1640
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:42,960
i mean um it does seem to

1641
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,400
actually be um demonic

1642
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,480
uh a lot of people believe that that's

1643
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,960
the source of this is it's actually

1644
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,799
demonic entities that are tricking

1645
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,799
people into believing that they are

1646
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,720
extraterrestrials or from another planet

1647
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,160
where actually they're

1648
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,799
interdimensional beings that are demons

1649
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,920
that's a

1650
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:03,920
pretty big theory in in what these

1651
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,559
things are actually related to

1652
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,640
and actually that's what demons actually

1653
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,680
did do the

1654
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,720
so-called nephilim in the bible um they

1655
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:13,599
did

1656
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:17,200
kind of um because they can't reproduce

1657
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,799
that you know their ain't you know angel

1658
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,400
nature um

1659
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:23,359
and you know so they can't reproduce but

1660
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:24,400
they can

1661
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:27,760
kind of you know you know go after

1662
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:31,680
the the you know the reproductive

1663
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,359
uh ways of you know human nature

1664
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:38,480
to try to um produce

1665
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,240
their own uh you know babies and such so

1666
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,960
it seems like you know there's a

1667
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:46,000
phenomena

1668
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:50,960
of um reproduction or whatever

1669
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,359
that you know some people complain you

1670
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,799
know talk about

1671
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,640
but i don't know if there's ever been a

1672
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,640
baby actually born

1673
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:01,680
that way so um but they always kind of

1674
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:02,640
talk about

1675
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:06,240
you know um being in some sort of

1676
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,200
laboratory

1677
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,640
in their sex organs and things yeah yeah

1678
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,720
they're planting babies and you know

1679
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:14,640
they got pregnant and then also the

1680
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,520
baby's gone

1681
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,199
and things like that but we don't know

1682
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,239
exactly what happens with all that but

1683
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:23,120
that does seem to fall into the nephilim

1684
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,319
uh yeah

1685
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,960
i i i am fascinated by those stories

1686
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,120
fascinated by those stories and also

1687
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,640
i was asking in the live chat and this

1688
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,400
was actually on my list of questions and

1689
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:34,080
again this is a philosophical and

1690
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,199
theology question

1691
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,480
if i get a chance to talk to a priest i

1692
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,759
i like many people have a lot of

1693
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,600
questions and one of the questions that

1694
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,480
i have is

1695
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,239
you know these demons are the fallen

1696
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,799
angels that rebelled against god

1697
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,520
but you know again with these

1698
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,359
inconsistencies or things that

1699
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,359
sort of bother my brain maybe i think

1700
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,120
too much but i know that god will

1701
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:57,520
forgive me of any sin if i am truly

1702
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,040
uh if i'm truly remorseful you know

1703
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,239
and i and i give my confession and and

1704
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,000
i'm remorseful of that sin god

1705
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,560
will forgive me that sin so somebody's

1706
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:10,640
asking is there redemption for the demon

1707
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,759
angels and

1708
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:14,480
and my question really to drill down on

1709
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,520
that is

1710
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:18,239
if if god will forgive me of anything

1711
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,279
would he forgive

1712
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,080
one of the rebel angels who basically

1713
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:23,679
regrets their decision to

1714
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,880
side against god and and you know

1715
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,880
expresses remorse and wants to come back

1716
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,080
into the grace of god

1717
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:31,920
and the are you aware if that has ever

1718
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:34,640
happened or could happen

1719
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:37,679
yeah i i do believe it could happen but

1720
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,319
i

1721
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:41,839
yet

1722
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,040
so there is no instance of

1723
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:47,600
recorded in the bible or you know and

1724
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:48,080
you know

1725
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,159
as a story in history of a

1726
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,280
a demon that uh you know

1727
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,400
repented but there is the thing

1728
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,480
in the book of revelations about the

1729
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,400
thousand year reign

1730
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,920
and uh where um everyone

1731
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:08,159
you know is locked up in the abyss and

1732
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,199
hell

1733
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,520
um four thousand years and then they're

1734
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,960
released

1735
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,600
but they're all the ones that uh you

1736
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:17,760
know oh and attack jesus when he comes

1737
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,159
again

1738
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,480
at the end of time for the new heavens

1739
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:21,600
and the new earth

1740
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:24,960
they're put back into the abyss

1741
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,159
and and and condemned for

1742
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:31,440
you know all eternity but we also know

1743
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,920
there's

1744
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,320
two categories that jesus mentioned

1745
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:34,960
there's

1746
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,440
the grinding of peace which would be

1747
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,840
those that would go out and attack them

1748
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,840
and then there's a wailing and those

1749
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:44,320
seem to be the repentant ones that

1750
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,000
were in hell that kind of repented

1751
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,440
and and and so when they saw them

1752
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,040
locked up for the thousand years uh

1753
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,280
they they knew they this would be their

1754
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,719
eternal fate

1755
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,600
and they wanted you know they wanted to

1756
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:02,960
repent so when

1757
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,600
the gates were open they didn't attack

1758
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,199
uh jesus they came out

1759
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,320
uh you know and and then

1760
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:13,280
it would seem to be that those that's

1761
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,080
they

1762
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,480
repent you know the repentant ones who

1763
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:17,920
were in hell

1764
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,520
um and regretted it once they saw

1765
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,560
what it was all about and like um

1766
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:27,600
they they could come and

1767
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:30,640
and i think it is in the thousand-year

1768
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:31,199
reign

1769
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:34,000
is is a peaceful raid so they actually

1770
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:34,320
do

1771
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:38,080
see the world um no longer under their

1772
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,040
control

1773
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,840
you know that it was from adam and eve

1774
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,440
to that time

1775
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:46,960
so uh um and so

1776
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,080
there is um that repentance

1777
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,280
that is possible so i and

1778
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:56,560
that hasn't happened yet so so

1779
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,760
that's what i um think that

1780
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,600
that's what in fact that's kind of the

1781
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:03,120
only thing i could see

1782
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:06,840
why um god would allow a

1783
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:10,159
peaceful reign to occur on the face of

1784
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:10,880
the earth

1785
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,480
where death is still there there was no

1786
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,480
chance for repentance

1787
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:19,520
of those who have died or those who

1788
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,040
are locked up to kind of see

1789
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,760
what god's creation could be when it's

1790
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,920
done according to his ways

1791
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:30,000
you know and then the new heavens and

1792
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:31,360
the new earth which

1793
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:34,719
will be no more death when jesus comes

1794
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:35,360
again

1795
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:39,120
that you know there will be those who

1796
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:43,360
um even seeing where they're at in their

1797
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,000
eternal

1798
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,400
fate will still not want to be part of

1799
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,600
god's kingdom

1800
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:49,840
and then those that have a change of

1801
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,640
heart

1802
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:53,760
seeing what the kingdom contrary to

1803
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:54,320
god's

1804
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,920
is and and and when they are released

1805
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:00,400
they come before the final judgment seat

1806
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,120
of god

1807
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,920
but repentance yeah and i guess that

1808
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,960
would lead me to

1809
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,679
another question that i had is that i'm

1810
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,360
seeing a lot of chatter on the internet

1811
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:11,360
about the rise in demonic activity

1812
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,400
worldwide

1813
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,440
and many people are predicting or were

1814
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,960
saying that the rise in

1815
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:19,760
demonic activity is due to the birth of

1816
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,239
the antichrist

1817
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:25,280
born

1818
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,040
and walking among us or do you think

1819
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:29,679
it's some time off because many people

1820
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,280
are maybe in a response to fear with a

1821
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,280
current health situation and similar

1822
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:38,239
things changing and becoming chaotic but

1823
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:38,880
many people

1824
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:41,840
are saying that the antichrist is born

1825
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,159
and

1826
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,159
that is why there's a rise in demonic

1827
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:46,960
activity he's drawing his army to earth

1828
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,040
do you what do you think of that and

1829
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:51,600
people saying that

1830
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:55,280
yeah it kind of um

1831
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:58,480
personally you know looking at you know

1832
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,840
this covet um situation which

1833
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,040
now seems to kind of be vanquishing um

1834
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,679
but uh when it first came out yeah it

1835
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:08,960
certainly

1836
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:12,480
um in the catholic church it's

1837
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,920
he essentially sees the daily um

1838
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,320
sacrifice which is the holy sacrifice of

1839
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:19,520
the mass

1840
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:23,040
in which we have kind of virtual masses

1841
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,520
for

1842
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,679
in a couple of months you know when it

1843
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,199
was at its height

1844
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:30,000
and you know so where you know priests

1845
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:30,719
could

1846
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:39,679
receive communion yet

1847
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,120
so it was kind of a strange um

1848
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,159
phenomenon there in which

1849
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,719
um the very purpose of the mass you know

1850
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,199
the holy sacrifice is

1851
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,120
the reception of holy communion and that

1852
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:55,760
got separated out

1853
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,880
so and that was kind of the one of the

1854
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,440
sign that marks the beginning of the

1855
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,800
three and a half years is the daily

1856
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:06,960
sacrifice ceasing

1857
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,800
and so that that kind of

1858
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,840
um makes you kind of wonder and now that

1859
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,440
we're kind of seeing

1860
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,840
that perhaps this thing was a biological

1861
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:18,880
weapon

1862
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:21,520
you know made in the lab that was

1863
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,159
supposed to

1864
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,360
kind of come out perhaps a little later

1865
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,080
um you know but you know i think it was

1866
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,920
to develop a vaccine

1867
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,239
and you know it seems like the communist

1868
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,600
chinese

1869
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:35,440
had a plan to kind of take over the

1870
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,960
world this way

1871
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:39,840
and then ended up leaking out before

1872
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,590
it's definitely one of the theories we

1873
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,520
tend to try to avoid talking about the

1874
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,960
current health crisis here

1875
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:51,199
because youtube does not like anybody

1876
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:53,670
even talking about it

1877
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:58,000
[Laughter]

1878
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,760
you know one of the other things that i

1879
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:01,360
made i want to make sure we get to i

1880
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:02,400
don't want to keep you for too much

1881
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,280
longer but

1882
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,520
i did see a great deal of media interest

1883
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,440
in you getting a movie deal based on the

1884
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,520
demon house exorcism

1885
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,679
um and i wanted to know did you get a

1886
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:13,520
lot of criticism for getting a movie

1887
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:14,640
deal

1888
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,920
even though i've read that you're going

1889
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:18,080
to give the money to catholic charities

1890
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:18,400
but

1891
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,159
that kind of uh publicity

1892
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,239
or respond to people that are critical

1893
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:25,760
or say you shouldn't take money

1894
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:29,120
for this okay yeah um

1895
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,239
yeah originally was uh you know with

1896
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,440
the person who was i had the warren's

1897
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:38,560
case uh you know a produce

1898
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:41,360
producer and then he uh you know he was

1899
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,640
going to sign me to the

1900
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:46,000
same kind of deal and and yet when we

1901
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,040
were trying to work

1902
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,080
with something you know to

1903
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,790
one of the major studios it kind of got

1904
01:17:02,310 --> 01:16:58,880
blocked because latoya

1905
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:02,320
was sent on board with us

1906
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:11,430
then right yeah so when she

1907
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,120
went with this different company they

1908
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,719
were going to tell

1909
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,159
they pretty much were just going to get

1910
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:18,880
her rights and then tell their own story

1911
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:22,800
you know so and i reason i went with uh

1912
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,239
this guy was he you know i wanted to

1913
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,520
tell the truth you know so it would be a

1914
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:31,199
very it would be as true

1915
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,719
to the story as possible i didn't think

1916
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,560
you needed to enhance anything and i

1917
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,520
thought it was just

1918
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,920
a great story the way it was and that

1919
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,679
there was no need to

1920
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:41,199
you know hollywood died since the

1921
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,750
you know super crazy at the end

1922
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,120
and that's kind of where all the

1923
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,520
conjuring movies and things kind of

1924
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:58,239
um went that were disappointed that they

1925
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:58,640
were

1926
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,120
pretty true at the beginning you know

1927
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:03,040
how kind of things were

1928
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,960
somewhat happening but the final scene

1929
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:09,440
you know the showdown and all that yeah

1930
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,159
that was

1931
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,360
way over the top dramatic and uh

1932
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,400
and so um i just wanted to kind of

1933
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,280
tell the story about yeah i read that

1934
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:21,120
you wanted it to be as accurate as

1935
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:22,239
possible and no

1936
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:25,360
added drama or or you know enhance

1937
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,920
because

1938
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,520
it seems to be very often that they will

1939
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:28,960
take what actually happened and then

1940
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:29,280
they

1941
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,480
gets

1942
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:34,560
lost and actually that kind of got in

1943
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,520
the way because they

1944
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:37,199
really hollywood does not want to do

1945
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,870
and but that company went bankrupt and

1946
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,719
it kind of helped everything out because

1947
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,840
i i think they want to use that

1948
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:54,320
story to get out of their bankruptcy but

1949
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:55,199
you know it's

1950
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,120
uh yeah you know so it's kind of

1951
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,760
and i don't know i would just wish uh

1952
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,719
you know they would

1953
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,400
i think it'd be a great movie just tell

1954
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,719
the truth just you know how it actually

1955
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,080
all happened

1956
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:11,440
i mean it's my story just as it is and

1957
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,560
but yeah that seems to be too much

1958
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:16,480
control

1959
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,920
yeah you know you have to give to me and

1960
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,320
and so it is they're not too interested

1961
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,080
in that

1962
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:26,320
yeah you know one of the other questions

1963
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:27,520
that i had is

1964
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,719
what criteria does the bishops who are

1965
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,960
selecting you guys to be exorcist

1966
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,960
what what is it that he's looking for

1967
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:36,880
and what do you think has made you

1968
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,709
yeah actually yeah because i just kind

1969
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:44,000
of fell into it

1970
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,470
dioceses

1971
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,400
before but you are you just got called

1972
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,000
up and then you had to go to the bishop

1973
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,199
for permission

1974
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:57,040
to be like the police officer on the

1975
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:58,320
scene you know that

1976
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,280
you know so it became my case and

1977
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,880
because there was no one else to hand it

1978
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:05,360
to and so

1979
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:08,000
and uh and then the case became so

1980
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,280
famous

1981
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:12,800
um yeah which well i kind of thought it

1982
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:13,280
would be

1983
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,960
inter i mean i always thought this was

1984
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,800
supposed to be interesting story

1985
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:19,360
you know i mean it's it's you know it

1986
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:20,080
was

1987
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,320
really uh it's something that i i think

1988
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,320
you know i think people be greatly

1989
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:27,679
interested in

1990
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:31,520
and um and it turned out to be that way

1991
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,430
yeah i guess as uh um

1992
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,120
you know and then you know and when it

1993
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:43,440
did become famous i did get a lot of

1994
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:44,480
calls

1995
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,600
from all over um the place and and then

1996
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,360
i started watching a lot of

1997
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,679
you know shows that you know i i did

1998
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:53,120
like the tv shows

1999
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:56,400
that would do paranormal

2000
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,000
um things that that's

2001
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,880
so that i saw that as very true you know

2002
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,560
what they were describing so

2003
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,880
i was always looking at you know how to

2004
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,120
solve that and resolve that

2005
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:12,159
and i am a puzzle person so i always

2006
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,880
liked

2007
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:15,600
trying to figure out these puzzles you

2008
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:16,239
know

2009
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:25,600
allowed to do what they're not allowed

2010
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,159
to

2011
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:28,239
and you know what they lie about it you

2012
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,440
know so i just

2013
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:31,280
you know it's kind of became a trial and

2014
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,719
error different things

2015
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,040
and you know just saying oh i probably

2016
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,880
would have done it this way or that way

2017
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:38,560
get a lot of calls on

2018
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,679
from people and you know and try to

2019
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,880
you know understand how it started and

2020
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:45,920
you know suggests

2021
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:48,320
you know different things that they may

2022
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:49,199
try to

2023
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:52,400
to do because i did see

2024
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,520
one thing is uh a lot of you know i was

2025
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:57,600
kind of expecting a lot of people

2026
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:00,800
that were dabbling in this um

2027
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,520
would you know you know it's kind of

2028
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:05,920
simple just to renounce everything and

2029
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,480
and things are going to normal but a lot

2030
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:10,239
of them said you know that were calling

2031
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,560
me

2032
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,800
didn't dabble in this kind of stuff you

2033
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,320
know or if they did it was

2034
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,560
as a you know teenager so they got

2035
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,880
scared and never did it again you know

2036
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,440
really nothing ever happened and then

2037
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,760
all of a sudden they're getting all this

2038
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,360
phenomena and they don't know what they

2039
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,360
did to cause it

2040
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:29,600
and a lot of times you do find yeah

2041
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,400
there's

2042
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:33,520
someone that um

2043
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,719
you know is into the occult that is you

2044
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,000
know became a part of their

2045
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:41,199
life kind of turned on them and and they

2046
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,840
ended up

2047
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,600
you know being a friend for a little

2048
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,280
while and things

2049
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,480
came to be exchanged and such and

2050
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:51,120
you know if they have the object yeah

2051
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,239
it's kind of hard

2052
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:55,280
to uh you know get that object back and

2053
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,000
so

2054
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,960
you almost have to do um you know an

2055
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,800
exorcism to break it

2056
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:03,520
but if you have the object or a lot of

2057
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,639
other thing is

2058
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,280
yeah there's a lot of you know people to

2059
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,440
do antiquing and things like that

2060
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,719
and they uh um just bring in some sort

2061
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,560
of table or something

2062
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:17,760
not knowing why it's um you know it

2063
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:18,880
seems to

2064
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:21,280
they get attracted to it and a lot of

2065
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,800
times it seems to perhaps

2066
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,679
have been a table that was used in some

2067
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:27,199
sort of ritual

2068
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,639
and gets handed on you know from

2069
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,960
many we have the famous case of the box

2070
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,239
which was a possessed

2071
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,679
that's probably the most famous

2072
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,840
possessed and interesting that zach

2073
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,000
baggins is involved with that now too

2074
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:43,679
as well as your deal accounts yeah

2075
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,000
yeah so that yeah that's yeah he has

2076
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,000
like all kinds of stuff that's like

2077
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:51,199
that so yeah his old museum is just

2078
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,639
filled with different dolls and

2079
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:57,199
thing you know things that people use

2080
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:57,760
you know

2081
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:00,880
and did rituals on and and

2082
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,000
attached the demon to somehow and and

2083
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,440
uh and uh and people

2084
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:10,080
try to get rid of you know so try to get

2085
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:11,440
rid of them

2086
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,360
um but i they they probably want to

2087
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,199
kind of stay out of my hands because i

2088
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:18,800
found that

2089
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,600
the best way to really get rid of these

2090
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,679
things is kind of what jesus

2091
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,480
kind of did with the pigs you know so we

2092
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:27,360
pretty much

2093
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:30,719
uh try to get them and the bottom of a

2094
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:31,360
river

2095
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,719
or a bottom of a lake or something

2096
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,639
turn them into a rock somehow you know

2097
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:38,320
put them in cement

2098
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:41,600
and and it seems like they cannot

2099
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,560
bother anyone anymore so that you can

2100
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,840
bind a demon to an

2101
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,280
object do you believe that a demon can

2102
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:48,880
be bound to an object

2103
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,400
like a bomb it seems like that's what

2104
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,560
all those things are yeah so

2105
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:55,440
you did a ritual now a lot of times that

2106
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:57,040
you know the demon always felt no one

2107
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,239
would ever throw it away

2108
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,239
i mean they would always be attracted to

2109
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,480
it or they would throw it away

2110
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,080
but someone would always find it you

2111
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,480
know so so whenever

2112
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,800
you know certain you know it gets thrown

2113
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:10,480
in the garbage there's someone who

2114
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:19,669
you know so um and you know

2115
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,960
and other people just try to destroy

2116
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:25,040
um things you know by burning them

2117
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:26,480
they're actually sometimes they're hard

2118
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:27,440
to burn

2119
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,560
but um no burning ouija boards are so

2120
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:33,440
so and i was kind of doing that before

2121
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,159
and i

2122
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:37,040
kind of saw what is it does it releases

2123
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:37,920
the demon

2124
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:40,400
so it even has nothing tied to so

2125
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,199
actually we

2126
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:44,239
you know so i if people want me to get

2127
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:45,280
rid of their

2128
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,679
you know ouija boards or tarot cards or

2129
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:48,800
whatever

2130
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,040
i pretty much you know i have a friend

2131
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:53,040
who kind of puts them in cement and puts

2132
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:54,560
them down in the bottom of a river

2133
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:57,440
and they never bother anyone anymore so

2134
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,480
yeah that's interesting

2135
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,719
and you know one of the other uh one of

2136
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,000
the other things i wanted to ask you

2137
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,719
quickly was about

2138
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:07,679
ceremonial magic which in many cases or

2139
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,080
black

2140
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,280
magic which in many cases you know i

2141
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,199
have a lot of these books which describe

2142
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:15,360
the conjuring of demons and in almost

2143
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,679
all

2144
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,719
cases the ritual begins with casting of

2145
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:19,440
a protective

2146
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:23,600
circle around the magician or conjurer

2147
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,080
before he will conjure a demon and the

2148
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,679
ritual magicians and

2149
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,840
and black magicians i suppose seem to

2150
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:31,199
believe that they are

2151
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:34,159
somehow immune from influence or or

2152
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,600
attack from the demon because they're

2153
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,440
casting this circle

2154
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,360
what do you think of that is that is

2155
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,880
that really inaccurate

2156
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,600
because you know we see examples of

2157
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,360
people dabbling in black magic or

2158
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:47,199
conjuring spirits or demons that then

2159
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:48,639
become oppressed

2160
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,320
or even possessed by a demon

2161
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:55,440
yeah um it really it might work if

2162
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,080
you're

2163
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:59,280
trying to put that uh demon onto an

2164
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:00,159
object

2165
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,320
person

2166
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,480
you know that you wanted to do you know

2167
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,920
curse them with

2168
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,560
and they don't realize that that's

2169
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:12,000
what's happened

2170
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,600
um and and so as long as that person has

2171
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,000
the object the demon is able to torment

2172
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:21,600
that person and

2173
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:25,120
but what can also happen

2174
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:28,560
is if

2175
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,159
the the because sometimes

2176
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,480
it also happens that they may use that

2177
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,080
same ritual

2178
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:39,040
uh to though it's something from the

2179
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,920
person

2180
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:42,960
and then they go and use that

2181
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,320
object to curse the person

2182
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,840
but they're thinking they're sending the

2183
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:50,000
demon there now when they have the

2184
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,000
object what you can't do what happens in

2185
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,000
an exorcism

2186
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,719
it's closed with a binding prayer which

2187
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:58,080
sends the demon back

2188
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:01,600
where it came from and so if uh

2189
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,560
that was done then it goes back to the

2190
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:06,960
conjurer

2191
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:10,080
then they have to deal with that demon

2192
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:11,679
but they cannot send it back to the

2193
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,600
person that

2194
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:16,080
they originally intended they had to get

2195
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,120
rid of it by

2196
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:19,360
you know i'm getting rid of it some

2197
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:20,320
other way

2198
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:24,480
so again another question i had in

2199
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,080
the theological nature is you know i i

2200
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,920
think i like many people believe that

2201
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:31,840
hell is a sort of a prison

2202
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,960
and the demons are imprisoned in in hell

2203
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,560
and they can't just

2204
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,719
you know come to earth but it seems to

2205
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:40,239
me if we're to believe in demon

2206
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:41,440
possession

2207
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:44,480
of humans that that there may be

2208
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:47,840
doorways or openings somehow and how

2209
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,520
these demons can find their way to earth

2210
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,920
yeah yeah that's kind of where i'm you

2211
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:55,199
know like

2212
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:58,719
um yeah they you can make

2213
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:02,320
portals um by doing rituals

2214
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:06,080
to let demons come out you know so

2215
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,000
so it is uh you know so whenever they do

2216
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,120
these uh you know uh witchcraft

2217
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,560
uh pentagrams on on the ground and you

2218
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:17,840
know different things

2219
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:20,960
and they they create an opening for

2220
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:24,960
demons to come in and out and uh

2221
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,880
and that really is a tough thing to kind

2222
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:30,159
of close

2223
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:35,440
um so so it does kind of

2224
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,120
make you know a place uh

2225
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:42,159
um pretty much a portal to hell

2226
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,520
and um but it can

2227
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,239
you know there there are i kind of have

2228
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:49,840
if

2229
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,760
i really haven't been able to test it

2230
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:53,440
out on

2231
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,639
great cases even the gary case

2232
01:30:03,189 --> 01:29:59,840
i could never quite uh close that

2233
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,199
because uh like zach bagan's

2234
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:05,679
um when we did we're going to try to

2235
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:06,880
close it

2236
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,239
um he reburied the objects

2237
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,719
and then you know and then when i was

2238
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:13,679
going to you know

2239
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,280
tell him i'm not going to be involved in

2240
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:17,199
this if you're going to want to keep

2241
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:17,520
this

2242
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,280
as a portal to hell and uh and so

2243
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,679
he then dug up the objects but we could

2244
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:25,040
never find the

2245
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:28,800
little fingernail and and even though we

2246
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:31,760
looked for it we never really found it

2247
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:34,080
so i was actually able to kind of

2248
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:37,360
leave that opened and uh but

2249
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,400
i was going to try to do

2250
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,880
something else that i found also kind of

2251
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:43,520
works

2252
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:46,639
you know is if

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01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:49,040
um you know i was going to bless you

2254
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:50,239
know i i do

2255
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:53,840
bless the house to reclaim it back to

2256
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:56,880
to to christ and then i

2257
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,080
found that if you put four benedict and

2258
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,040
bless benedict and metals in the four

2259
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:05,280
corners of a basement

2260
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:09,440
um it it it blocks it it stops it

2261
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:12,560
and and it's but you need to have it in

2262
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:13,679
a house

2263
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:16,960
that you own and so all the you know

2264
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,159
and so it seems that that does

2265
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:22,239
block anything from coming in and out

2266
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,360
anymore

2267
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:26,000
so i want to go and i want to go get

2268
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,400
some

2269
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,239
and put them in my basement because this

2270
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,000
stuff is scary

2271
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,880
to me you know i i don't i we're just

2272
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:34,400
about out of time but i wanted to ask

2273
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,840
you one final question

2274
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:38,480
uh because they are in the news and and

2275
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,199
also

2276
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:41,520
i'm a little confused by some things the

2277
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,639
warrens

2278
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:45,280
according to their own accounts they

2279
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,400
have participated

2280
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:49,360
in exorcisms and employed the help of

2281
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:51,199
catholic priests

2282
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,920
so what what do you think of the warrens

2283
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:55,600
and do you guys use

2284
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:58,639
say lay experts on demons or paranormal

2285
01:32:02,870 --> 01:31:59,440
activity

2286
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:02,880
in your activities as exorcists

2287
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:06,400
yes so um yeah the warrens were pioneers

2288
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:09,920
and unfortunately yeah they lived at a

2289
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:11,840
time

2290
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:15,600
know they were paving the way for

2291
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:18,880
um this kind of study kind of coming

2292
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:19,440
back

2293
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:22,560
into you know religious consciousness

2294
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:26,320
so um there was the famous

2295
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:29,440
uh exorcist case which happened in

2296
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:33,120
you know uh 49 but there were more in

2297
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:33,760
the you know

2298
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:36,800
60s and 70s and 80s and such and you

2299
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:37,440
know and

2300
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:40,960
and and they were trying to always get a

2301
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:43,360
catholic priest to try to help here or

2302
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:44,239
there

2303
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:46,639
and they always found it difficult to

2304
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:49,040
get that permission from a bishop

2305
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:52,159
to do things and sometimes he would

2306
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:54,080
kind of take things on his own like in

2307
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:55,199
the uh

2308
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,639
you know i think that's what he did in

2309
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:58,480
the con first conjuring

2310
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:01,840
wrote a rhode island case and uh and

2311
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:05,760
just did the ritual on his own which

2312
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:09,120
left him kind of attacked um for

2313
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:12,719
for doing that so so yeah so i think he

2314
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,239
um uh didn't kind of learn a lesson

2315
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:19,199
not to do that but he felt that he

2316
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:20,480
needed to

2317
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,440
to help and and certainly lorraine

2318
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,120
always kind of mentioned

2319
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:27,360
you know she was a sensitive and each

2320
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:29,360
time she got involved in the case she

2321
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,639
get beat up a bit

2322
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,360
uh psychologically and everything and

2323
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:35,199
spiritually and such so

2324
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,360
it did take each case kind of took a

2325
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:39,520
toll on her in that way

2326
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:41,840
you know perhaps the parting shots that

2327
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,199
i kind of mentioned when you get

2328
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:45,360
involved in a lot of cases perhaps

2329
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,159
you get yeah a lot of parting shots uh

2330
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:53,440
uh and but we do you know we kind of do

2331
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:54,320
depend on

2332
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:57,520
sensitives and and such to help because

2333
01:34:01,590 --> 01:34:00,400
uh you know to see the more knowledge

2334
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:01,600
you have

2335
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:05,040
uh the more yeah if i had to fight a

2336
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:06,800
demon i think i'd use every weapon

2337
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:08,480
available to me is that how you feel

2338
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,199
about it yes

2339
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:11,840
yes oh yes definitely yeah so you want

2340
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:12,639
to be

2341
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:15,679
yeah everything on your territory so

2342
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:18,159
like they would do it in the house

2343
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,040
itself

2344
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:21,760
and such well you know it seems like

2345
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,639
that's a hollow

2346
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,639
you know pretty good hollywood thing to

2347
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:26,000
do it in a basement with

2348
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,199
all kinds of you know tools

2349
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,800
you know going to get thrown all over

2350
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:32,880
the place you know well we do it in a

2351
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,360
church

2352
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:36,239
you know so that yeah it has very little

2353
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:36,880
excess

2354
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:40,400
uh to to you know kindness that try to

2355
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:41,199
stop it

2356
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,560
um you know you know everything's

2357
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:46,880
blessed and consecrated and such so it

2358
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:50,320
it really it it's you know so when it

2359
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:50,800
once

2360
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:53,840
it is out yeah it kind of just has to

2361
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:54,639
leave

2362
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:57,199
it it's an enemy territory it's just i

2363
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:57,760
can't

2364
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:01,119
stand being there so it it gets out as

2365
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:02,960
fast as it scans

2366
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,080
and it might uh yeah might uh

2367
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:08,239
it does give you some sign that it has

2368
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:09,119
left

2369
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,239
interesting and so i i i kept you a few

2370
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:14,400
minutes past what we agreed to and i

2371
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,239
apologize for that i could talk to you

2372
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,840
for another five hours but i don't want

2373
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,920
to keep it i know you're a very busy

2374
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,760
busy man but i do want to thank you for

2375
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:23,760
helping an old adult or boy out like i

2376
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:25,840
said i was ready

2377
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,000
i almost became a priest myself

2378
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,400
partially because of my interest in

2379
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:32,719
in this exact subject i've always been

2380
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,920
fascinated by

2381
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:35,920
and i wanted to ask you it's been a long

2382
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:37,679
time since i've asked a priest this but

2383
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,280
could you leave us with a short prayer

2384
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,280
and a blessing

2385
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:43,920
okay here i'll do the traditional

2386
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:45,040
blessing

2387
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:48,639
upon you and

2388
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:51,199
and and may almighty god bless you in

2389
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,639
the name of the father and the son and

2390
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:53,920
the holy spirit

2391
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,800
amen amen thank you very much father i

2392
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:58,480
want to thank you i hope that you will

2393
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,040
come back

2394
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:01,440
because our audience our audience really

2395
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:02,639
enjoyed this and

2396
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:05,119
how often does somebody like me that's

2397
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,119
not in the mainstream media get to

2398
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,840
get to really really deeply interview

2399
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,199
someone like you i can't thank you

2400
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:12,800
enough for doing it

2401
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:15,760
okay okay thank you father god bless you

2402
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:16,320
goodbye

2403
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:19,199
okay god bless you too thank you well

2404
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,320
friends

2405
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,639
there's one off my bucket list i can't

2406
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,080
believe i've finally

2407
01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:26,880
gotten to interview an actual real life

2408
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,239
exorcist

2409
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,719
it has been an amazing evening if you

2410
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:32,400
ask me

2411
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:36,400
i uh you guys know i was raised catholic

2412
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:39,600
and i was always really fascinated by

2413
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:42,159
the dark side of things right and i

2414
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,800
would

2415
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,320
look through the bible and ask the

2416
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,880
priests lots of questions about demons

2417
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:47,760
and the devil

2418
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:51,440
and the fallen angels it's always been

2419
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,480
an interest of mine call it a

2420
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,199
morbid curiosity i suppose but i always

2421
01:37:02,870 --> 01:36:59,280
thought that if you're going to

2422
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,880
believe in uh you know if you're going

2423
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,560
to believe in god

2424
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,719
you cannot believe in god without also

2425
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,400
believing in the devil

2426
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:10,639
and i believe that that evil was very

2427
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:11,600
real

2428
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,920
and very uh very interactive with our

2429
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,000
species somehow

2430
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,400
um i've always been fascinated with

2431
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:22,000
these biblical stories of

2432
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:24,159
of demons and fallen angels and

2433
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,679
possessed people

2434
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,400
and fascinated with reading accounts of

2435
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:30,880
actual real-life real-world

2436
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:34,480
um real-world possession

2437
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:37,360
and i want to make sure ellen fox says

2438
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,119
thanks steven interesting take on things

2439
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,880
and i want to apologize i'm going to

2440
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:42,080
check in with the

2441
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,600
with the youtube analytics to check on

2442
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:48,000
any super chats you guys will have to

2443
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,040
excuse me

2444
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:52,080
maybe it's uh it's probably

2445
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:53,760
because i grew up catholic and it was

2446
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,199
drilled into my head to be very

2447
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:57,440
respectful of priests and i wanted to be

2448
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:58,719
respectful of our guest tonight and

2449
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,159
didn't want to interrupt him every time

2450
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:01,760
there was a super chat but i think we

2451
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:02,000
only

2452
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:07,199
one from ellen but i want to thank her

2453
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:09,360
ellen for your generosity and your

2454
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,119
support oh wait a minute um

2455
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:13,520
no we got a few okay one second let me

2456
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,639
make sure

2457
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,560
here and uh so i want to apologize to

2458
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:17,679
everybody

2459
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,320
uh for not reading these while they came

2460
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:22,080
in but i i hope you understand that i

2461
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,760
wanted to keep the interview rolling and

2462
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,679
be respectful of our guests tonight

2463
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,360
so i want to thank all around arbiter

2464
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,960
for his kindness his generosity and

2465
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:30,560
support for uh

2466
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:33,119
dollar super chat brother can you spare

2467
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,840
a dollar

2468
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,840
and all around arbiter did so i want to

2469
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,360
thank him for his generosity

2470
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:40,239
and his support continued support of the

2471
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:41,119
show really

2472
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,719
thank you all around arbiter for

2473
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:44,719
blessing me and my show

2474
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:48,080
and god bless you and yours ellen fox

2475
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:49,199
with a kind and generous

2476
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:52,400
uh donation of 499 us

2477
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,199
um when we asked the question uh has he

2478
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,880
ever been physically assaulted during an

2479
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,239
exorcism

2480
01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:00,000
i talked a little bit with him offline

2481
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,440
and and i actually

2482
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:03,840
knew that he had but yeah we definitely

2483
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,480
want to

2484
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,480
honor our super chatters and ask the

2485
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,239
questions and aj also asked that

2486
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,800
question but thanks to ellen fox for

2487
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,960
her kindness generosity support and

2488
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,960
continued support of the show long time

2489
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,639
show supporter good to see you

2490
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:19,119
ellen fox you are most welcome thank you

2491
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,080
for blessing me

2492
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,400
and my show with a couple of bucks to

2493
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:23,840
keep us rolling here

2494
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:26,880
and it is much appreciated and god bless

2495
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,119
you and yours ellen fox

2496
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,400
so uh there is a money button down there

2497
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:33,920
if anybody else would like to chime in

2498
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,199
and throw money at me

2499
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,440
because uh this is a viewer supported

2500
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:39,520
show which means that every dollar that

2501
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,000
we get

2502
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,480
helps us to produce more incredible sort

2503
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:44,719
of fringe content like this where else

2504
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,239
are you going to see these

2505
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,440
long-form interviews i i can't tell you

2506
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:51,360
um there's not many i searched on

2507
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,560
youtube and there is a

2508
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,560
another priest which we're trying to get

2509
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:56,320
who has conducted many long-form

2510
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:57,600
interviews on christian

2511
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:00,960
youtube channels so far i've been told

2512
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,360
that he's too busy

2513
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,440
to uh grant us an interview but i'm

2514
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,440
going to keep trying

2515
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,199
but there's not many long-form

2516
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:11,119
interviews with an actual real life

2517
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,400
exorcist on youtube

2518
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,520
surprisingly there's not many so i'm

2519
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,560
thankful that we get to you know

2520
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,600
add to those long-form there's not many

2521
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,600
long form interviews with a catholic

2522
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,520
priest

2523
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,199
so if you'd like to see more content

2524
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:29,520
like this make sure that you throw money

2525
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,000
at me

2526
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,920
because that's what makes the world go

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01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,840
round and what makes the show go round

2528
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,679
and i just want to say praise the cash

2529
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:38,880
praise the cash praise the cash uh

2530
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:41,440
and thank you to our patreon supporters

2531
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,320
by the way

2532
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,960
uh patreon you can support us on patreon

2533
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:46,719
for as little as a dollar a month and

2534
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:49,040
i uploaded a really great song that reem

2535
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,480
see sian with that grimsey

2536
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:52,239
uh who was in our live chat earlier but

2537
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,400
i think has bounced out but there's a

2538
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,520
new song of mine uh called

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01:41:01,030 --> 01:41:00,159
i wanted more and it's it's all

2540
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:01,040
orchestral

2541
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:03,760
and and symphonic type instruments you

2542
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:06,480
know cellos and violins and violas

2543
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,920
and things like that and uh it needed

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01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:10,639
something

2545
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,920
and uh thanks very much to reem c uh it

2546
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,639
got a

2547
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,800
incredible piano track so we uploaded

2548
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:18,480
that to patreon you also get behind the

2549
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,679
scenes look at

2550
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:21,199
truth seekers and a bunch of stuff

2551
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,880
that's going on

2552
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,719
uh so you can support us on patreon you

2553
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,560
can hit that money button in the live

2554
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:28,080
chat

2555
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,080
or you can send a paypal donation from

2556
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,000
the about section of our website or

2557
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:34,239
the uh down in the description box there

2558
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:36,000
are links to throw money at us and we

2559
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,159
appreciate all the money that people

2560
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,159
uh support us with because that helps us

2561
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,880
produce more content

2562
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,880
renamous genocide says praise the

2563
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:47,520
almighty ai algorithm of youtube

2564
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,719
i i say my daily prayer we had a prayer

2565
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:52,400
from father mike so i'm going to say my

2566
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:58,310
ai algorithm gods please find favor in

2567
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,880
our show

2568
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,119
raise us in the search engines do not

2569
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,119
delete us or stamp us out because father

2570
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:04,800
mike was talking about some health

2571
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:08,080
issues uh of the of late

2572
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:11,199
and things related to the health

2573
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:14,320
crisis please do not stamp us out

2574
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,080
please understand uh that was his

2575
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:18,400
opinion and not necessarily reflected by

2576
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:18,880
those

2577
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:21,440
of truth seekers spectral international

2578
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,239
llc

2579
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:25,040
or its show host me stephen cambion

2580
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:26,239
please

2581
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:29,840
find some context understand uh yeah

2582
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:32,400
uh and help us rise in the search

2583
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,520
engines

2584
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,920
and help more people find our show and

2585
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,920
help more people throw money at me

2586
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:39,920
because praise the cash praise the cash

2587
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,480
ai algorithm gods you and me are

2588
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:43,920
partners in this thing and the more

2589
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,760
money i make the more money the ai

2590
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:46,960
algorithm

2591
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:51,679
god makers in the form of youtube make

2592
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:55,600
praise to cash praise the ai algorithms

2593
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,960
in google's name we pray amen all right

2594
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,800
i've said my daily prayer folks that's

2595
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,400
all i can do

2596
01:43:12,109 --> 01:43:05,520
so listen uh now i got this

2597
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:14,550
vcmd propulsion can you talk a little

2598
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,719
bit about mark and what i told you

2599
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,880
uh and the odd things around it yes we

2600
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,560
can do that on another show like i said

2601
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:22,080
i think that it would be best to stick

2602
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,440
with tonight's subject but you're

2603
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:25,199
welcome to come on here

2604
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:29,280
and uh vcmd has some amazing propulsion

2605
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:29,840
research

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01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,800
into what what just may be the next

2607
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,159
generation

2608
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,199
spaceship propulsion system it's a space

2609
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:39,040
propulsion system and he told me

2610
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,800
a little bit about it about how it works

2611
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:42,080
he was working with

2612
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:45,920
a famous mark mccandlish the person

2613
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,239
most famous for the arv or alien

2614
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,000
reproduction vehicle

2615
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:53,360
he was working on that with mark and uh

2616
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,880
it sounds fascinating to me and we're

2617
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,960
gonna try to have him come on also i

2618
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:58,159
wanted to mention

2619
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:59,920
that there is a story that we covered

2620
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,280
previously about an

2621
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,520
alien that was shot and killed on

2622
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,600
mcguire air force base

2623
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:08,000
we've got the principal uh witness to

2624
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,360
that event

2625
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,679
uh and he will be coming on our show

2626
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:13,280
next monday night we're going to try to

2627
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:13,600
have

2628
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:16,159
monday night as the big interview shows

2629
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,280
and then we're going to roll

2630
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:18,960
on from there on tuesday wednesday

2631
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:21,760
thursday or tuesday and wednesday

2632
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,080
also i just wanted to mention that

2633
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,320
because of some uh

2634
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,719
changes i suppose that i need to make

2635
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:30,480
you know my wife's going back to work

2636
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:31,280
full-time

2637
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,679
in the office and so i will be on daddy

2638
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,280
duty much more often

2639
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,159
and because of that and honestly because

2640
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,679
the level of income here is

2641
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:42,480
you know like a part-time job so i can't

2642
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:43,440
really do

2643
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,199
or may not be able to do five shows a

2644
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:47,520
week some some weeks i may

2645
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:49,840
but i'm we're gonna go back to our

2646
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,440
commitment of doing

2647
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:53,280
three shows a week at least three shows

2648
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,639
a week i may do more

2649
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,119
time and energy allowing but i have some

2650
01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:59,840
other demands on my time and things

2651
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:01,920
going on and i hope that you will

2652
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:02,880
understand that

2653
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,719
but we'll always be doing a show uh

2654
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,360
monday tuesday and wednesday and like i

2655
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,760
said if i have the time and we have

2656
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,360
something good to talk about that's

2657
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,960
another important thing i don't want to

2658
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:16,400
do filler shows

2659
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,159
no offense to anybody else that runs a

2660
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:20,159
show but i see many people will click go

2661
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,280
live and talk about

2662
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:24,000
literally anything for an hour just to

2663
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:24,320
fill

2664
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,600
time because they don't really have a

2665
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:28,080
show or something

2666
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:30,159
better i really would prefer to bring my

2667
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:32,080
a game and do

2668
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,159
great shows three days a week rather

2669
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,400
than do three great and two

2670
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,280
just okay or whatever you know sometimes

2671
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,880
sometimes there's not that much to talk

2672
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,320
about

2673
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:45,199
um you know a lot of the people that we

2674
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:46,400
used to cover here

2675
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:49,840
are gone from youtube or gone they're in

2676
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,239
you know the internet limbo right now

2677
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:53,840
and i don't really you know i started

2678
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:55,920
looking on parlor and uh

2679
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:59,040
i'm sorry on bit shoot and and these

2680
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,320
kind of things

2681
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,800
oh and i want to mention uh thank you

2682
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:03,920
very much

2683
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:06,000
cassette to pie for kind and generous

2684
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:08,239
five dollar super chat donations thank

2685
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:08,960
you

2686
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,199
support and i wanted to mention

2687
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:16,080
and thank you cassette to pie i hope i'm

2688
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,520
saying that right if not please tell me

2689
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:19,440
how to say it in live chat

2690
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,719
cassette to pie is our latest um

2691
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:25,600
patreon supporter so every time somebody

2692
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:27,199
becomes a patreon supporter we thank

2693
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,639
them i want to take a moment to thank

2694
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,239
you both for your super chat kind and

2695
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:32,159
generous super chat donation cassette to

2696
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:34,159
pie and for becoming a patreon supporter

2697
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,440
where you're going to get the patreon

2698
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:37,520
benefits but i do want to mention

2699
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:39,199
that if anybody is really having a hard

2700
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,800
time knowing you really like our show

2701
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:42,560
here and would like to get the patreon

2702
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:43,360
stuff

2703
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:46,000
just send me an email at truthseekershow

2704
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:47,119
gmail.com

2705
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,719
that's all you have to do and just you

2706
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:50,320
know write patreon benefits in the

2707
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:52,159
subject line and just say

2708
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:53,679
i'd like the benefits having a tough

2709
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:56,080
time or something like that i don't need

2710
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,360
to hear uh you know i don't need to hear

2711
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,199
a lot of details just let me know

2712
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,199
patreon benefits email me a trueseeker

2713
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,280
show gmail.com i don't want anybody left

2714
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,520
out for lack of having a dollar

2715
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,920
because it's a dollar a month or more

2716
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:11,360
you know people some people are pledging

2717
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:12,880
ten dollars a month

2718
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:15,360
um every dollar that we get on patreon

2719
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:17,119
and then and these super chats and

2720
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,600
the paypal uh helps move the show

2721
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,280
forward so thank you cassette

2722
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,280
to pie for kindness your generosity and

2723
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:25,520
your support thank you for blessing our

2724
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,560
show

2725
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:29,920
uh with some of your kindness and i

2726
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,280
i am so grateful for your kindness your

2727
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:35,040
generosity and your support thank you

2728
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:36,159
for blessing

2729
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:38,800
our show and god bless you and yours uh

2730
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,590
andrew with a good question andrew

2731
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:49,199
whitley asks do you think the character

2732
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:51,040
kaiser soze from the usual suspects

2733
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,560
would be considered a demon

2734
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:55,119
i don't think so clever guy but not a

2735
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:56,000
demon

2736
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,880
entirely human right really clever guy i

2737
01:48:02,790 --> 01:47:59,840
love that movie

2738
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:02,800
because the ending is i nobody ruined it

2739
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,119
for me and i got to see it just like

2740
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,960
seeing the movie sixth sense if nobody

2741
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,119
ruined it for you before you seen it i

2742
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:12,080
had no idea when i was watching this

2743
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:12,639
movie

2744
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,280
uh usual suspects what the ending was

2745
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:17,360
and i was blown away like what a great

2746
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:18,400
surprise ending

2747
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,719
it guy that's one of my favorite kind of

2748
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,880
surprise ending movies that along with

2749
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,679
uh

2750
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:26,400
sixth sense which was just mind-blowing

2751
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:28,000
when i first saw it right

2752
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,679
and i also liked the village but it

2753
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,920
seemed like he had such a hit with a

2754
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,600
surprise ending movie that he tried to

2755
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:35,119
hurry up and make another one and that

2756
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,880
was good but not quite as good as the

2757
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:37,920
sixth sense

2758
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:40,320
her name miss genocide says good show

2759
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,360
genocide says

2760
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,600
later everyone much love yeah i want to

2761
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:45,520
wish you happy birthday genocide it is

2762
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,239
just

2763
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,639
where i am it is an hour and 12 minutes

2764
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:50,159
away from genocide's birthday so

2765
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,600
everyone in the live chat

2766
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,600
long time show supporter genocide shout

2767
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:55,040
out to genocide

2768
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:56,960
uh everybody wish him a happy birthday

2769
01:49:01,669 --> 01:49:00,159
it's almost his birthday

2770
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:01,679
william pixley i still want to know

2771
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,280
where demons come from i'm sorry if i

2772
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,960
did not get to your question or

2773
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,679
all anybody's question i had a lot to

2774
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:09,040
try to jam in but i'm

2775
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,040
hoping that i built a rapport with this

2776
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:13,040
father mike he seems very

2777
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,840
very uh down to earth and and cool and

2778
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:17,360
interesting guy we talked a little bit

2779
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,400
off air

2780
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,400
and he has an interest in paranormal

2781
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:22,480
stuff so i'm hopeful that we can get him

2782
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,880
back

2783
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,800
for round two and do another interview

2784
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,560
with him i do have

2785
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:28,639
another person that is an assistant

2786
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:29,679
believe it or not

2787
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,560
i did not know this many exorcists have

2788
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,119
lay people that are assistants to them

2789
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:37,520
and this girl takes all of the calls for

2790
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:39,040
a certain priest

2791
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:42,080
who's an exorcist and uh you know helps

2792
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,040
him

2793
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,280
with his exorcism duties and we're going

2794
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,280
to interview her because she hears a lot

2795
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,880
of the stories and is very very

2796
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,080
knowledgeable

2797
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:53,360
about these kind of thing ufo gandalf

2798
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,480
the time traveler

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i believe in australia right or maybe

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01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:58,880
tasmania i always forget ufo gandalf i'm

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sorry

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i think it's australia or or thereabouts

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01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,560
right or there's little islands tasmania

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or one of the other ones

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01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:08,239
running around australia yokogando says

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mark robertson says awesome show thanks

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01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:15,840
for the kindness and the generation

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01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,719
uh generosity and support set to pi says

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01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:20,400
just seeking the truth thanks stephen

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and we

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01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,119
try to bring it to you i also want to

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01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,639
take a moment i have to keep reminding

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01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:26,320
myself to do this

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01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,920
there is a lot of people that are

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01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:30,239
listening in audio podcast land in fact

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01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:31,280
the downloads

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01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:33,040
i can't believe the number of downloads

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01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,320
that we're getting already because we

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01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:35,520
just started

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making truthseekers our show here

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01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:39,199
available on all different podcast

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01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:40,719
networks you can get it on spreaker

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01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:43,599
apple podcasts uh spotify anywhere you

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01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:44,480
get your podcast

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01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:48,560
iheartradio so

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01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:49,599
there's a lot of people that are

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01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:51,599
listening in audio podcast land i just

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01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:53,119
want to remind you people listening in

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01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:53,760
audio

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01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:57,199
some people prefer that but you're

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01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,400
missing half the fun

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01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,800
the real root of our show is our youtube

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01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:02,239
channel so please be sure to go to

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01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,880
youtube

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01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,800
and type in the search bar truth seekers

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01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,960
one word look for that strange guy with

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01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:08,880
the sunglasses that would be me stephen

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01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,800
campion the host of our show

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01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:13,199
click that subscribe button click that

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notification bell

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and come here with us and be a part of

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01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,080
the live chat

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01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,960
we we saw this tonight friends tonight

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01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,639
many people from the live chat got to

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01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:24,719
ask a catholic priest and real life

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01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:26,159
exorcist some questions

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01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,199
where else do you get to do that i think

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01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:31,119
that this is a great community and you

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01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,840
may enjoy

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01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:34,080
participating in our live chat so i want

2851
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,679
to make sure that the people listening

2852
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:37,599
in audio podcast land

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01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,920
understand that the invitation is always

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01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,119
there please do

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01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:43,280
visit us on youtube just go to youtube

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01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,480
search in the search bar

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01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:46,400
truth seekers you'll see me the guy with

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01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,760
the sunglasses

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01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:50,320
join us here subscribe click the

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01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:54,400
and finally uh we mentioned that you

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01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:55,040
guys

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01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,639
anybody that wants to help our show can

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01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,239
help us by throwing money at us but

2865
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,239
there is another way that is just as

2866
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:02,960
effective and that would be to make sure

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01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:03,679
that you like

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01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,320
comment and subscribe to our show here

2869
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,080
to the videos on youtube

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01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,199
share them on your social media uh

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01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,119
send them to some friends post them on

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01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:15,520
facebook post them on twitter

2873
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:18,239
and please do follow me following me on

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01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,440
twitter is the best way to know more

2875
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,520
about the show it's at stevencambian we

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01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:23,119
also have a

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01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:26,800
uh we just started a discord server and

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01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:27,679
the link to that

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01:52:34,589 --> 01:52:29,360
i will put again once again on my

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01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,310
s-t-e-v-e-n-c-a-m-b-i-a-n

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01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:38,400
at stephen campaign on twitter get all

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01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,360
the latest show

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01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:41,840
news and you'll be notified when a show

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01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,599
is about to take place live

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01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:46,080
all of our shows here are done live and

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01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,040
we would like you

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01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:49,360
to uh come here and be a part of the

2888
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,800
live chat

2889
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:53,199
but a good way to help us besides throw

2890
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,199
money at us of course is to just like

2891
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,440
comment subscribe if you comment on

2892
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,360
these videos that we make here

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01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,960
please chime in tell us what you think

2894
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:02,639
of the show tell

2895
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,480
give us some future questions if we

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01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:06,320
happen to get father mike or another

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01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:07,760
catholic exorcist put him

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01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,040
in the comments below and i tried to

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01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,800
interact with the comments section here

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01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,639
as much as possible so that's another

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01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,239
form of activity

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01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:18,239
you know interactivity that we have here

2903
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,159
which i love we love hearing from our

2904
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,080
audience too so you can email me if

2905
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,599
you'd like to be a guest if you have

2906
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:25,360
some great story that you'd like to

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01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:26,080
share

2908
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,760
we're all ears i'm looking for new

2909
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:29,599
guests now you can email me

2910
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:34,320
at truthseekershell gmail.com

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01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,520
yeah so friends i would like to

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01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:39,280
encourage you to please do like comment

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01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:40,000
and share really

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01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:42,159
does help i know i sound like a broken

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01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:43,920
record and i gotta keep saying that i

2916
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,520
keep saying i'm gonna make a bumper for

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01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:46,639
that so i don't have to keep

2918
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,000
you know harping on that but it really

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01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:52,000
does help that's why every youtuber

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01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:54,639
asks because it helps it helps so much

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01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:55,920
right

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01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,239
it helps because it raises us in the

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01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:00,159
search engine it helps more people find

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01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:01,840
us more people subscribe to us more

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01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:02,880
people

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01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:05,599
uh get to know our show here and

2927
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:06,639
certainly that

2928
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,520
is a very good thing right the more

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01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,119
people that we can get to

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01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:13,760
hear about our show the bigger the show

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01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,719
will grow

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01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,560
and we're certainly trying at least to

2933
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:18,639
grow the show

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01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:21,280
tonight friends i got to do something

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01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,639
that has been home it's been on my

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01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:24,880
bucket list forever i've always wanted

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01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:25,360
to

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01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,960
exorcist

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01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,960
i've had i i didn't get through half of

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01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:32,719
my questions so i'm hoping that we can

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01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,080
have him again

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01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,960
right i'm hoping i you know seems like a

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01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:38,639
cool guy i think he'll agree to it again

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01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,280
i think he

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01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,040
hopefully he had a good time i try to

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01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:43,119
make my interview somewhat cathartic for

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01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:43,920
people

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01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:46,639
so that they enjoy the experience i

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01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,159
think that we could get him back i got

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01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,159
through about half of my questions i'd

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01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,320
like to ask on the other half someday

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01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:55,199
but my point is i'm always amazed that

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01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:56,719
this show gives me a

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01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,679
portal a passport into talking to some

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01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,360
incredible people

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01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:03,760
and i get to take all of you guys along

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01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:04,560
with me

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01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:07,360
for the journey uh and i can't tell you

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01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:08,080
how happy i

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01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:09,679
am every time i come here there's a

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01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,360
great audience tonight we had a great

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01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:13,040
audience thank you for being a part of

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01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:13,760
this

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01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:16,960
event

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01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:19,360
interview with an exorcist and hopefully

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01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,960
this is the first in a series we're

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01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,320
going to try

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01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:24,080
to reach out to more and different

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01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,679
exorcists and

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01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,920
interview them as well because i'd like

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01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,119
to get some

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01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,679
consensus between them and see if

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01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:33,679
there's a difference of opinion between

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01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,480
some of them

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01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,960
and just to grow our knowledge base here

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01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:38,480
about the catholic right

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01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:40,560
of exorcism and demons and demon

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01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:41,520
possession

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01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:44,320
i thought i would love to interview more

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01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:46,080
of these guys who do this because

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01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,040
imagine

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01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,840
what a what an amazing story this guy

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01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:51,840
spends part of his week

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01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,320
literally battling demons for the

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01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:56,400
catholic church

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01:55:59,750 --> 01:55:59,360
definitely interesting to me so i want

2987
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,760
to thank

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01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,360
each and every one of you for joining us

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01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:03,599
tonight uh it has definitely been my

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01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,040
pleasure tonight

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01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,360
you know some shows uh i gotta be honest

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01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:09,360
with you some shows seem like a grind

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01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,159
right

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01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:12,159
uh but i always love the shows where i

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01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:13,840
have a good guest because it seems like

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01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:14,400
the show

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01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,440
just flows and and it's not like

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01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:19,760
like belabored you know tonight felt

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01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:21,280
very natural to me

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01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:23,119
i was glad to have such a great audience

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01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,639
and i want to thank you again for being

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01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:26,239
a part of mine

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01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,400
friends uh this week is going to be kind

3004
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:30,560
of strange i've got some strange things

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01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,239
to cover you want to tune in tomorrow

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01:56:36,149 --> 01:56:34,480
night 9 p.m eastern time

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01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,159
uh where we're going to be covering

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01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:38,159
something you don't want to miss

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01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,199
a truth seeker is exclusive i believe

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01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:43,520
so until next time friends my name is

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01:57:01,920 --> 01:56:44,639
stephen campion

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